borofan
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Post by borofan on May 15, 2016 8:28:28 GMT
I have most of my P2P money in these platforms (Ratesetter 1, 3 and 5 year, and Zopa Classic), as I prefer the less risky P2P investments (I do have smaller amounts in SS and FC).
Anyway, on the face of it the new Zopa Plus doesn't seem to be worth the extra half a percent or so over Ratesetter 5 year rate. It has no safeguard, lends to borrowers as low as E rated and has a 1% early exit fee.
Opinions?
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Post by propman on May 16, 2016 8:25:17 GMT
I have started lending again at Zopa after a couple of years of withdrawing. I think Zopa has 2 advantages:
They are the only P2P with experience of an economic downturn;
Zopa has since 2008 consistently delivered lower defaults than predicted while Ratesetter has in recent years had higher defaults than predicted and extrapolating losses for a substantial portion of their loanbook gets worryingly close to the amount put into the fund during the periods these loans were made (although there is an uncertain amount of institutional loans that are apparently in the defaults but not eligible for the PF pay outs that will reduce this).
Zopa claim to have trialled D&E loans before making them available to retail investors, a big difference to RS introducing additional loan types and informing the lending base some time later. The letters are meaningless, although annual expected loses of 10-12% are flagged for E loans. I know Wonga is claiming 3% bad debts, but given the short term nature of their loans, these will have much higher annual defaults, so E loans will still have significant credibility.
Personally I expect that Z+ will make an absolute loss for the year of any downturn, I suspect that it will yield similar returns to 5 yr loans on RS with the much cheaper exit option (1% exit is only available on RS for loans of 6 months or so, so early exit of more than recent loans will be more expensive on RS) and many shorter loans (in over 300 Z+ loans I am yet to receive a 5 year E loan). I have a mix of durations n RS that yields significantly less than the 5 yr rate.
HTH
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Post by westonkevRS on May 16, 2016 21:24:35 GMT
They are the only P2P with experience of an economic downturn....
This is true, and I respect the platform for this. But to be realistic, returns reduced dramatically over his period and the business was far from profitable and safe through 2009. But it did survive, and as a " founding lender" with Zopa I was relieved and I'm a fan of what they've achieved for the industry. However very few of the staff, including key risk personnel, are still at Zopa. It is a different beast now. For me it is the experience of the employees that is important, rather than simply having some data from 7 years ago that may not be relevant to today's portfolio mix, risk appetite and underwriting processes. Kevin.
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Post by Liz on May 16, 2016 21:39:37 GMT
Very true Kevin, banks managed many downturns over hundreds of years , but several we're bust in 2008, as their lending, risk etc etc had drastically changed. I have rbs shares that are down about 98%, with no divi for years
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