borofan
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Post by borofan on May 22, 2016 11:19:13 GMT
I've got all I want in SS (about £10k) at the moment (my highest risk P2P), and have a similar amount in Ratesetter 5 year, Zopa Classic (with extra 0.5% early adopter) and FC.
Looking for an easy(ish) access P2P or P2Ps to park some money for 3% or a bit more. Wellesley looks a bit uncompetitive at the moment, and I have maxed out high interest bank accounts with linked Reg Savers.
So options? Zopa Access, RS Rolling, Landbay tracker, AC's QAA? Another?
Thanks.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on May 22, 2016 11:31:23 GMT
I've got all I want in SS (about £10k) at the moment (my highest risk P2P), and have a similar amount in Ratesetter 5 year, Zopa Classic (with extra 0.5% early adopter) and FC. Looking for an easy(ish) access P2P or P2Ps to park some money for 3% or a bit more. Wellesley looks a bit uncompetitive at the moment, and I have maxed out high interest bank accounts with linked Reg Savers. So options? Zopa Access, RS Rolling, Landbay tracker, AC's QAA? Another? Thanks. I would suggest AC QAA/30DAA offering 3.75%/4.25% as a good option, particularly as QAA has a fair degree of FSCS protection potentially. www.assetzcapital.co.uk/blog/show/86/2016/05/19/fscs-protection
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Post by grodecki on May 22, 2016 13:44:48 GMT
I'd probably look at AC too.
Interestingly I feel that SS is not actually that high risk if you manage your investments carefully - selection of loans and the fact that interest is prepaid to SS for the entire term means that in the majority of cases if you take an 'active' involvment and sell of your loans prior to it getting close to principal repayment date, you avoid a huge chunk of the risk.
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Post by shimself on May 22, 2016 13:54:12 GMT
I've got all I want in SS (about £10k) at the moment (my highest risk P2P), and have a similar amount in Ratesetter 5 year, Zopa Classic (with extra 0.5% early adopter) and FC. Looking for an easy(ish) access P2P or P2Ps to park some money for 3% or a bit more. Wellesley looks a bit uncompetitive at the moment, and I have maxed out high interest bank accounts with linked Reg Savers. So options? Zopa Access, RS Rolling, Landbay tracker, AC's QAA? Another? Thanks. I would suggest AC QAA/30DAA offering 3.75%/4.25% as a good option, particularly as QAA has a fair degree of FSCS protection potentially. www.assetzcapital.co.uk/blog/show/86/2016/05/19/fscs-protectionI don't interpret the blog that way. Protection is available in two ways - for that (small part) of the QAA which is uninvested-I can't find any figures but my guess is well below 10% of your money. The second way applies to any platform, if you can persuade a proper IFA to advise you to invest in said platform. I favour Wellesley, bridging loans with reasonable ltv, automatically very well diversified, and especially because as well as a protection fund they take first loss so their interests are aligned with ours. I wrote the words below in another thread 18 months ago. I admit they read like an advert lets say you put in 100 they will spread it around in sort of £10 lumps into 10ish of their current laons (which are 25k to 2M). Legally the borrower owes you so if wellesley goes bust your money is not lost wellesley also put some of their own money into each loan (10% I think?), so if it isnt repaid or (more likely) is only partly repaid they lose money, so they care. In fact if there is a shortfall their money goes first. In other words lets say they had to foreclose on a 100K bridging loan (on a property which would be valued at 150K or more ie 65% max LTV) if as is most likely the property sold for 140K, fine wellesley and you get paid in full and the borrower gets some of their own money back If it sold for 90K, the borrower gets nowt, wellesley gets nowt, you get all your money (all your £10) If it sold for 75K the borrower gets nowt, wellesley gets nowt, and you get 75/90ths ie you would lose £1-66 (note thats if BOTH the bridging loan wasnt paid off and if the property sold for half of what the surveyor said it was worth). But no even then you would get all your money back because they have a provisions fund.
You would only start losing money if lots of loans went wrong and property prices in general went down by >40%.
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Post by littleoldlady on May 22, 2016 15:32:13 GMT
I favour Wellesley, bridging loans with reasonable ltv, automatically very well diversified, and especially because as well as a protection fund they take first loss so their interests are aligned with ours. .
I also like the W structure and I used to have an enormous sum (for me) with them. Unfortunately they appear to have found that they can attract more money by advertising on TV at great expense than by diverting that money into better rates for lenders, so I am now down to my last £10k earning 6.75% over 18 months. When this matures in a few months it will come out as they now offer less than half that for 3 year loans. Their slide in rates has been remarkable. They appear to have 15% of funds paying interest but not earning any for them so rates are not likely to improve. AC's QAA is a possibility but remember that instant access is not guaranteed, and for the past year or so SS's SM has offered the same degree of liquidity and paid 12% rather than 3.75%. Also bear in mind that the capital security of the money in QAA is provided by loans just like any other platform and so carries the same risk. [Edit: but see AC's post below] There is a discretionary PF but SS also has one. Personally in your shoes I would put more into SS and MT as the additional liquidity and security offered by QAA is minimal IMO.
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Post by ben on May 22, 2016 16:40:02 GMT
as much as FS has a negative at the moment with the pawn loans you can still sell them pretty easy with a month or two months to go they are still highly popular and even if you do hold until the end FS has not lost money on too many of them
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Post by shimself on May 22, 2016 17:39:12 GMT
I favour Wellesley, bridging loans with reasonable ltv, automatically very well diversified, and especially because as well as a protection fund they take first loss so their interests are aligned with ours. .
I also like the W structure and I used to have an enormous sum (for me) with them. ... They appear to have 15% of funds paying interest but not earning any for them so rates are not likely to improve.. I don't understand the 15% bit. My answer was related to easy access, and well there you go, just checked and they only have 12month or longer now so forget it. Has the OP done all the FSCS protected bank account 3Kish max roundabout savings, whizzing money from one account to the next (TSB and Santander and so on), I read recently you can place up to 40K? getting around 4%? that way
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Post by jjc on May 22, 2016 18:38:54 GMT
wellesley also put some of their own money into each loan (10% I think?), so if it isnt repaid or (more likely) is only partly repaid they lose money, so they care. In fact if there is a shortfall their money goes first.shimself , I may be wrong / out of date but when I delved into this a couple of years ago IIRC W’s skin-in-the-game model foresaw a fairly severe dilution of their stakes in their loans &/or recycling of their stakes out of the loan over its term. Meaning they may well have v little / no skin in the game by the time a loan gets into trouble. As their loan book grows (it grew very fast from the word go) their funding needs just to put cash into new deals becomes a steep hill to climb (could be a reason for their embarking on the bond route). This, added to the over-slick marketing, pushing-the-envelope bond-raising & other things led me to conclude they were significantly higher risk than would appear, particularly to the casual investors their model & marketing is designed to attract. A quick look at their website features the “we commit our own money alongside yours” very prominently, but I see no mention of how much that is, or if it’s all held to term. If someone were to pry this out of W I’d be interested to hear the result. Smooth operators, & very successful to date. But perhaps a bit too smooth for my tastes.
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Post by littleoldlady on May 23, 2016 13:26:33 GMT
I also like the W structure and I used to have an enormous sum (for me) with them. ... They appear to have 15% of funds paying interest but not earning any for them so rates are not likely to improve.. I don't understand the 15% bit. If you invest with them you can see the current figure. An investment with them is split across all their outstanding loans. This allocation is redone daily. If they have more investors funds than the total of loans then a percentage of the investment is not allocated to any loan. See their site for details.
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Post by chris on May 23, 2016 14:06:25 GMT
I don't interpret the blog that way. Protection is available in two ways - for that (small part) of the QAA which is uninvested-I can't find any figures but my guess is well below 10% of your money. The second way applies to any platform, if you can persuade a proper IFA to advise you to invest in said platform.
Currently QAA has between 40 and 50% of invested cash sat as cash in the client money account instead of invested in loans. That does fluctuate as loans draw down, and the account as a whole is now of a size where the percentage invested can be safely grown, but that's where it currently is.
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