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Post by dualinvestor on Jun 6, 2016 20:42:54 GMT
This is the time of year when a garden centre should be achieving its maximum turnover and profit per day. What's the betting the administrators will shut it down after the early autumn sales, say the end of September, then save on wages etc? It would be extremely unusual for a Insolvency Practitioner to trade a small business for more than 3 months, and, after their costs of management, it will be a very big bonus if the centre is making a profit.
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Post by brianac on Jun 6, 2016 21:18:06 GMT
Curiosity killed the cat...So I'm now £6 out of pocket... There are 2 titles under the charge that Lendy Ltd has against PBL20; WSX2****5 (land adjoining T****** Nurseries) & WSX2****6 (T****** Nurseries). On the documents I downloaded, both our borrower (As Registered Owner), and Lendy Ltd (As Lender) is indicated. The amount paid for these are as follows... WSX2*****5
| : | £ 575,000 | WSX2*****6
| : | £ 900,000 | Total | : | £ 1,475,000 |
Add 12% to that total, and you get mighty close to the loan amount. Savingstream have some questions to answer... Er CD, that looks a bit like an UXB. And can I hear a ticking noise? ... and if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor, I've heard of having skin in the game but this appears to be a whole different game and I don't suppose it's cricket ... Brian
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Post by shimself on Jun 6, 2016 21:19:34 GMT
I am very surprised to see Lendy as a shareholder in the borrower, that must surely have led to a conflict of interest (for example maybe not foreclosing on the loan in a timely fashion)
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Post by lb on Jun 6, 2016 21:48:17 GMT
Administrator fees DO NOT trump a first charge (or any secured loan for that matter) At least for receivers prior to bankruptcy the fees appear to be secured by the properties covered by the charges. To quote from the charge document for the main property in this loan: " 13.3 Remuneration The lender may fix the remuneration of any Receiver appointed by it without the restrictions contained in section 109 of the LPA 1925 and the remuneration of the receiver shall be a debt secured by this deed, to the extent not otherwise discharged." That relates to an LPA receiver who could have been appointed by Lendy only to sell the property. It it does not have anything to do with administrative receivers (as is actually the case here) of the borrower company - any sale proceeds (net of actual sale costs) will go to Lendy and for any shortfall Lendy will become an unsecured creditor of the borrower and in the queue
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Post by harvey on Jun 6, 2016 22:06:41 GMT
Curiosity killed the cat...So I'm now £6 out of pocket... There are 2 titles under the charge that Lendy Ltd has against PBL20; WSX2****5 (land adjoining T****** Nurseries) & WSX2****6 (T****** Nurseries). On the documents I downloaded, both our borrower (As Registered Owner), and Lendy Ltd (As Lender) is indicated. The amount paid for these are as follows... WSX2*****5
| : | £ 575,000 | WSX2*****6
| : | £ 900,000 | Total | : | £ 1,475,000 |
Add 12% to that total, and you get mighty close to the loan amount. Savingstream have some questions to answer... Remember that if the garden centre land and buildings were not purchased as an ongoing profitable concern then those figures would be bricks-and-mortar and land values and not include Goodwill and so on for a profitable business. If the garden centre is now trading profitably then there will be added value in terms of the value of the business and we will not just been looking at the value of the Land and the house etc. However I haven't researched it enough to know whether it was bought as a profitable ongoing business or whether the purchaser just bought the physical land and Property assets. As far as I can see the valuation the loan was based on was a simple estate agents valuation and not a detailed red book valuation and there are no assumptions or details about how the figures were arrived at. It's not even clear to me whether the residential property can be sold off separate to the garden centre business or if they have to be sold together as one lot. It's not realistic to add up the sum total of various different valuations for different types of land,property and business and then expect that sum total to be the total you would get if all sold together as one.
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Post by james on Jun 7, 2016 0:25:30 GMT
At least for receivers prior to bankruptcy the fees appear to be secured by the properties covered by the charges. To quote from the charge document for the main property in this loan: " 13.3 Remuneration The lender may fix the remuneration of any Receiver appointed by it without the restrictions contained in section 109 of the LPA 1925 and the remuneration of the receiver shall be a debt secured by this deed, to the extent not otherwise discharged." That relates to an LPA receiver who could have been appointed by Lendy only to sell the property. It it does not have anything to do with administrative receivers (as is actually the case here) of the borrower company - any sale proceeds (net of actual sale costs) will go to Lendy and for any shortfall Lendy will become an unsecured creditor of the borrower and in the queue No, it doesn't relate to only an LPA receiver only appointed to sell the property, not least because an LPA receiver can do things other than sell a property. I'll retype a bit more of the relevant portions here, in this case from the property charge rather than the other more general charge, but it would be useful to read it all, items within () are my notes largely to cut the typing amount: " 13.4 Power of appointment additional to statutory powers The power to appoint a Receiver conferred by this deed shall be in addition to all statutory and other powers of the Lender under the Insolvency Act 1986, the LPA 1925 or otherwise, and shall be exercisable without the restrictions contained in sections 103 and 109 of the LPA 1925 or otherwise. ... 14 POWERS OF RECEIVER 14.1 Powers additional to statutory powers 14.1.1 Any receiver appointed by the lender under this deed shall, in addition to the powers conferred on him bby statute, have the powers set out in clause 14.2 to clause 14.20. 14.1.2, 14.1.3 skipped, not particularly relevant
14.2 Repair and develop the property (giving titles only for most, not body text to cut the amount of typing) A Receiver may undertake or complete any works of repair, alteration, building or development on the Propety and may apply for and maintain any planning permission, development consent, building regulation approval or any other permission, consent or license to carry out any of the same. 14.3 Grant or accept surrenders of leases 14.4, 14.5 not particularly interesting, skipped 14.6 Charge for remuneration (but this doesn't make it secured) 14.7 Realise Charged property (essentially selling related) 14.8 Manage or reconstruct the Borrower's business A Receiver may carry on, manage, develop, reconstruct, amalgamate or diversify or concur in carrying on, managing, developing, reconstructing, amalgamating or diversifying the business of the Borrower carried out at the Property. 14.9 Dispose of Charged Property A Receiver may grant optiions and licenses over all or any prt of the Charged property, grant any other interest or right over, sell, assign or lease.... (most not retyped here) 14.10 Sever fixtures and fittings (don't have to sell with the property) 14.11, 14.12, 14.13, 14.14 not particularly interesting 14.15 Powers under LPA 19235 A Receiver may exercise all powers provided for in the LPA 1925 in the same way as if it had been duly appointed under the LPA 1925 and exercise all powers provided for an administrative receiver in Schedule 1 to the insolvency Act 1986. 14.16 Borrow (the receiver is allowed to borrow) 14.17, 14.18 not particularly interesting 14.19 Absolute beneficial owner A receiver may, in relation to any of the Charged property, exercise all powers, authorisations and rights he would be capable of exercising, and do all those acts and things, as an absolute beneficial owner could exercise or do in the ownership and management of the Charged Property or any part of the Charged property. 14.20 incidental powers" As you can see the right to appoint Receivers is not limited to only the LPA case and grants additional powers beyond LPA powers. Some of that stuff is made more interesting by knowing that Lendy, the lender, seems to be a 10% owner of the borrower company. Of course the route chosen for at least the buildings and land seems to be sale, at least mainly, don't know about the leases that apply or applied to parts of the property in addition. Regrettably the restrictions here to identifying borrowers make it hard to do collaborative discussion in both this sort of examination and in collective due diligence, apparently contributing to some of the disagreements here.
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Post by james on Jun 7, 2016 0:31:40 GMT
It's not even clear to me whether the residential property can be sold off separate to the garden centre business or if they have to be sold together as one lot. See clause 14.9 of the charge document for the property, a portion of which I've quoted in my immediately previous response. Splitting is expressly permitted.
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Post by dualinvestor on Jun 7, 2016 5:32:44 GMT
At least for receivers prior to bankruptcy the fees appear to be secured by the properties covered by the charges. To quote from the charge document for the main property in this loan: " 13.3 Remuneration The lender may fix the remuneration of any Receiver appointed by it without the restrictions contained in section 109 of the LPA 1925 and the remuneration of the receiver shall be a debt secured by this deed, to the extent not otherwise discharged." That relates to an LPA receiver who could have been appointed by Lendy only to sell the property. It it does not have anything to do with administrative receivers (as is actually the case here) of the borrower company - any sale proceeds (net of actual sale costs) will go to Lendy and for any shortfall Lendy will become an unsecured creditor of the borrower and in the queue Whatever the legal position with regard to fees there are two practical considerations that have to be taken into account when considering where fees will "rank in the pecking order" 1 No-one is going to act for you for free in realising an asset 2 It is very likely that the Administrators are from a firm recommended by Lendy to the directors and they have a ongoing relationship with Lendy and at least an understanding if not a formal agreement as to fees. Even if there is not such ongoing relationships and arrangements it is inconceivable that they would not have covered their fees and where it will come from before accepting the appointment. For both of those reasons it is highly likely that the fees and costs of the Administration will be paid before anything else.
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Post by SteveT on Jun 7, 2016 7:48:15 GMT
I suspect there is some confusion over the question of "Full Planning Permission". The loan particulars include:
"5.5 acres of land with full planning permission for extensive redevelopment and increase of the garden centre (£200k per acre / £1.1m)"
as well as:
"17.5 [acres] of agricultural land with potential for 4 x timber chalet planning permission (£12k per acre / £210k)" [my bold]
Presumably it was the application to build the timber chalets on agricultural land that was turned down, rather than permission to "redevelop and increase" the garden centre.
I wonder if the 10% equity stake (seemingly acquired by Lendy during the term of the loan) might have been taken in lieu of payment of extension interest when the planning application process took longer than the borrower expected.
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Post by james on Jun 7, 2016 17:01:31 GMT
Presumably it was the application to build the timber chalets on agricultural land that was turned down, rather than permission to "redevelop and increase" the garden centre. At least one version of planning permission that failed was an application to demolish the garden center buildings and replace them with a two story "log cabin". This appears to be the full planning for extensive redevelopment of the garden center one. However I haven't yet checked the full planning permission records and am to some extent relying on those who have and didn't find relevant full permission in place. Naturally I'd very much welcome a pointer to a granted planning permission application that meets the extensive redevelopment and increase of the garden center description! I wonder if the 10% equity stake (seemingly acquired by Lendy during the term of the loan) might have been taken in lieu of payment of extension interest when the planning application process took longer than the borrower expected. Here is a summary of the relevant Companies House filings for the firm: 4 September 2014 annual return with 3 shares. 21 January 2015 first mention of 100 shares. 4 March 2015 statement of capital with 100 shares but no ownership interests for them mentioned. 4 March 2015 registration of charge, created on 25 February 2015 9 March 2015 registration of charge, created on 25 February 2015 3 September 2015 annual return giving the 10% Lendy, 30% each to the original three founders split. I don't think that the timings of these events are consistent with the theory, rather they all appear to have happened around the time that the loan was being discussed and made.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 7, 2016 17:46:46 GMT
3 September 2015 annual return giving the 10% Lendy, 230% the original three founders split. With maths like that...
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Post by james on Jun 7, 2016 17:47:32 GMT
3 September 2015 annual return giving the 10% Lendy, 230% the original three founders split. With maths like that... You beat me to the correction by a few seconds. Best to read the original documents filed with Companies House, of course, but I cannot publicly give you the link here or sufficient information to find it without breaking this forum's rules.
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Post by loanstar on Jun 7, 2016 19:14:26 GMT
I do not have an investment in this loan, but I do have a 5 figure sum deployed on this platform. Having no interest in this loan I have never conducted any DD. My background is town planning, so that is the area I had a little look to see if I could bring any comfort or information to this debate. (My vote would be certainly less than the full amount). The site in question comes under the area looked after by Chichester Distrcit Council. They have a standard web site dealing with planning. publicaccess.chichester.gov.uk/online-applications/search.do?action=simple&searchType=ApplicationIt would appear we are dealing with three interconected properties. A simple postcode search returns a number of application, the latest for the garden centre being a 2009 application. I note that in the recent update there is talk of a planning meeting being held on the 9th March this year. Looking at the dates on chichester.moderngov.co.uk/mgCalendarMonthView.aspx?XXR=0&M=3&DD=2016&ACT=Go there was no meeting. If someone can give details of the planning application I would be interested, as it could effect the value of the asset. I notice on the garden centre web site there is information about who the Joint Administrators are. I trust the above is useful.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 7, 2016 19:17:10 GMT
MOD HAT ON
Do not post details of the planning application onto the forum that would identify the borrower.
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Post by loanstar on Jun 7, 2016 19:22:01 GMT
I understand and have been very careful. The URLs are to 1) the general search page and 2) the dates of meetings. To proceed one would have to have more detailed knowledge as there a number of garden centres in the area covered by CDC.
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