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Post by duck on Oct 8, 2016 15:16:49 GMT
Quick question. If a company loses money in P2P investments one year can this loss be incorporated into the overall profits of the company, thereby reducing the corporation tax that needs paying? For personal taxation the losses can only be offset against other P2P investments AFAIK, albeit in different years if needs be. I'm thinking of defaulted loans specifically. Obviously, if the defaulted loan gets recovered in the future, either fully or partially, then tax will need to be paid on that. I submitted my Company Accounts yesterday and submitted defaults against profit just as I did last year. Last years accounts were accepted and Corporation Tax was 'lowered' when I had trading and P2P/P2B income, it should be no different this year which is my first full year of retirement so the Co only has P2P/P2B income.
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Post by nick on Oct 13, 2016 11:43:20 GMT
Quick question. If a company loses money in P2P investments one year can this loss be incorporated into the overall profits of the company, thereby reducing the corporation tax that needs paying? For personal taxation the losses can only be offset against other P2P investments AFAIK, albeit in different years if needs be. I'm thinking of defaulted loans specifically. Obviously, if the defaulted loan gets recovered in the future, either fully or partially, then tax will need to be paid on that. The quick answer is yes. Its also worth noting that all income (including cash back and other incentives which may not be subject to income tax if received in a the capacity of an individual investor) and capital gains will be captured (for corporation tax purposes there is no distinction between income and capital gains).
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Post by stevio on Mar 9, 2017 8:20:05 GMT
Anyone any tips in how to deal with the very variable income that comes from P2P? In particular the effect that has on the amount of salary and dividends to pay (also personal pension contributions to increase lower rate tax band)?
I don't know how much I will invest through the tax year so don't know the estimated returns
I leave things to the end of the tax year when I have an idea of 11 months interest
But by then, it could push me into the higher rate
I make use of income sharing with partner (accounts in wife's name) as lower tax band
How do others manage this (it would be just nice to know others are also in the same boat to be honest and there is no magic formula lol)?
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Post by hnwlending on Mar 15, 2017 10:50:24 GMT
I've only just been made aware of your forum and it looks great, although I am completely new to forums to please excuse me if I'm not following the right etiquette!
You should be aware that a limited compa ny cannot invest in loans to other limited companies via a p2p platform, so this will limit some of the loan opportunities available. This is one of the rules under electronic peer to peer legislation (article 36H)
I am the MD of HNW Lending Ltd. We are a fully FCA authorised firm (authorised in January 2017) and also have HMRC permission to offer IF ISAs and have flexible ISAs
We have been going for 3 years, have done over 150 loans, and have never lost a penny of interest or capital to date as all the loans we do are secured loans. Secured loans means first or second charge on property or taking an asset like a high value car or plane into a storage facility under our control
We are basically funded by a collection of wealthy individuals, with the average individual investor having over £100k invested in our loans. We do however allow investors to put a minimum of £5k per loan (or £10k per loan outside of the ISA). Investors choose which loans they wish to invest in and the rate investors earn ranges from about 7% to 15% depending on the risk of the loan - ie a low LTV (loan to value) first charge would pay lower interest than a high LTV second charge
My number is 07958 636 106 and email is ben@hnwlending.co.uk if you wanted to find out any more information so that you can update your post
Thanks
Ben
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Post by DenaThing on Mar 15, 2017 12:20:28 GMT
Hi Dena here... I've just joined Moneything as Finance Director (and am in the process of becoming the Compliance Officer). Limited companies can indeed lend to another company on a P2P site, as noted it happens quite a lot across a number of different platforms. In the first instance, that loan would just not be an Article 36H agreement, but it doesn't mean it isn't allowed. If the loan is subsequently sold to an individual on the secondary market, it can become an Article 36H agreement in the hands of an individual lender through the novation of the agreement. It can then be put into an IFISA as a qualifying Article 36H loan.
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Post by elephantrosie on May 30, 2017 22:16:45 GMT
following this thread.
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Post by elephantrosie on May 31, 2017 20:39:49 GMT
i spoke to my accountant today and he said for a ltd company to invest in p2p, it has to be registered with fca
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Post by locutus on May 31, 2017 20:57:06 GMT
i spoke to my accountant today and he said for a ltd company to invest in p2p, it has to be registered with fca Get a new accountant.
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Post by elephantrosie on May 31, 2017 21:05:07 GMT
recommend me one! drop me a message.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 1, 2017 22:00:45 GMT
recommend me one! drop me a message. TBF, it sounds like almost any half-way competent accountant would be an improvement.
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Post by duck on Sept 26, 2017 8:58:28 GMT
Just opening up this thread again.
Does anybody have a link to the relevant legislation/guidance that deals with investment losses (for a Ltd Co) and claiming them? Having got my head round the claiming process for individuals earlier this year I'm finding my brain a little woolly when it comes to the differences that might/might not apply to my Ltd Co.
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Post by nick on Sept 26, 2017 9:37:13 GMT
Just opening up this thread again. Does anybody have a link to the relevant legislation/guidance that deals with investment losses (for a Ltd Co) and claiming them? Having got my head round the claiming process for individuals earlier this year I'm finding my brain a little woolly when it comes to the differences that might/might not apply to my Ltd Co. I believe you would need to treat the losses on investment held within you Ltd co as a trading loss and claim the loss in the normal way against trading profit for corporation tax purposes in the current year or carry these forward against future trading profits. You also carry losses back 12 months if you were undertaking the same activity previously. Although the losses may have been incurred from 'investment' activity, this should still be treated as part of the trade of the company (in the same way interest income and capital gains will be captured as trading profit for CT purposes). You don't have to show the losses on your investments separately, it should be all included in reaching your trading profit or loss for corporation tax purposes. Unlike personal taxation, corporation tends to lump in profit, capital gains etc into one amount subject to CT. High level UK gov guidance can be found here: www.gov.uk/guidance/corporation-tax-calculating-and-claiming-a-loss#trading-lossesHope that helps.
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Post by sl125 on Sept 26, 2017 9:41:18 GMT
Are you sure that you can do that? I thought that investment income would fall under non-trading income, so you would not be able to account for it as a trading loss. It would, however, be able to take it into account when calculating the non-trading income.
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Post by jackpease on Sept 26, 2017 10:39:30 GMT
I confess that as my losses on my 'ltd' account p2p are c£50 a year and that tax break that'd bring would be a third of that (I think) I don't bother claiming - my accountant is freaked out enough by the impenetrable thousands of loan parts across several platforms let alone explaining losses which may or may not be billed as losses by platforms....
I CBA with any of those trawling letters from the taxman 'we are looking at your accounts' and then asking them to trust FC's (for example) impossible account reconciliations that rarely reconcile.
Jack P
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Post by stevebarryifa on Sept 26, 2017 10:41:48 GMT
Are you sure that you can do that? I thought that investment income would fall under non-trading income, so you would not be able to account for it as a trading loss. It would, however, be able to take it into account when calculating the non-trading income. This was my understanding as well, maybe it depends on who your accountant is
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