Investboy
Member of DD Central
Trying to recover from P2P revolution
Posts: 564
Likes: 201
|
Post by Investboy on Jun 15, 2016 10:34:14 GMT
Dear fundingsecureCan we have some more loans that are not a properties? This is what originally draw me to FS, that I could diversify into jewelry, watches, memorabilia ect. But now not only you added properties but it became main focus. And I think this was your USP and what people liked in the platform. Also the financial model (with capital + interests at the end) suits the small/pawn items not really property loans. I guess because of the amounts involved the profit is better on properties but it would be nice if you could not discard other types of loans too.
|
|
Investboy
Member of DD Central
Trying to recover from P2P revolution
Posts: 564
Likes: 201
|
Post by Investboy on Jun 15, 2016 13:06:19 GMT
You can select up to 3 options
|
|
ribs
Probably not James Marshall
Posts: 148
Likes: 151
|
Post by ribs on Jun 19, 2016 20:19:09 GMT
This is what originally draw me to FS, that I could diversify into jewelry, watches, memorabilia ect. I actively avoid putting money into these. "Arty" type items are very subjective in my view, and the price when selling can vary a lot on whose around during the day of auction. Property, in my view, tends to be a bit more 'stable'.
|
|
Investboy
Member of DD Central
Trying to recover from P2P revolution
Posts: 564
Likes: 201
|
Post by Investboy on Jun 20, 2016 11:51:09 GMT
Art is not my favorite either and as the poll suggest same feeling is shared by others.
|
|
09dolphin
Member of DD Central
Posts: 638
Likes: 866
|
Post by 09dolphin on Jun 20, 2016 12:38:42 GMT
Most - not all- of the property loans I've invested in pay interest late. FS seem to give the property loans several extra months to pay the interest - which I understand. Other loans, if they don't pay interest etc within a month to renew are closed down. FS do not make clear the fact that property loans are normallygiven several months leeway to pay interest and this may affect investors decisions.
I may be very wrong but FS appear to treat property loans very differently to other loans. This is not reflected in the interest rates, especially as they seem to accept that 70%+ LTV is acceptable to them
As property loans appear to be less likely to pay interest at the end of the 6 month period why is 12% considered adequate?
|
|
littleoldlady
Member of DD Central
Running down all platforms due to age
Posts: 3,045
Likes: 1,862
|
Post by littleoldlady on Jun 20, 2016 14:51:42 GMT
Collateral are offering jewelry loans.
|
|
|
Post by Financial Thing on Jun 20, 2016 19:23:17 GMT
Dear fundingsecure Can we have some more loans that are not a properties? This is what originally draw me to FS, that I could diversify into jewelry, watches, memorabilia ect. But now not only you added properties but it became main focus. And I think this was your USP and what people liked in the platform. Also the financial model (with capital + interests at the end) suits the small/pawn items not really property loans. I guess because of the amounts involved the profit is better on properties but it would be nice if you could not discard other types of loans too. If you're going to make a request like this, use the word "I" instead of "we". I don't share the same sentiment and if I did, I'd just invest elsewhere.
|
|
09dolphin
Member of DD Central
Posts: 638
Likes: 866
|
Post by 09dolphin on Jun 20, 2016 20:53:37 GMT
Optionstrader. I agree with Investboy therefore it is correct to use "we" rather than "I".
|
|
|
Post by Financial Thing on Jun 21, 2016 1:36:09 GMT
Optionstrader. I agree with Investboy therefore it is correct to use "we" rather than "I". but he didn't know you agreed with him when he wrote the request, so "I" would be appropriate.
|
|
phil
Posts: 190
Likes: 165
|
Post by phil on Jun 21, 2016 7:58:24 GMT
Optionstrader. I agree with Investboy therefore it is correct to use "we" rather than "I". but he didn't know you agreed with him when he wrote the request, so "I" would be appropriate. He may have known, members of this forum can message each other in private
|
|
oldgrumpy
Member of DD Central
Posts: 5,087
Likes: 3,233
|
Post by oldgrumpy on Jun 21, 2016 8:07:57 GMT
Most - not all- of the property loans I've invested in pay interest late. FS seem to give the property loans several extra months to pay the interest - which I understand. Other loans, if they don't pay interest etc within a month to renew are closed down. FS do not make clear the fact that property loans are normallygiven several months leeway to pay interest and this may affect investors decisions.
I may be very wrong but FS appear to treat property loans very differently to other loans. This is not reflected in the interest rates, especially as they seem to accept that 70%+ LTV is acceptable to them
As property loans appear to be less likely to pay interest at the end of the 6 month period why is 12% considered adequate? Very often it isn't, and rates of up to 12% (+5%) have been seen for large investments ... even 12% (+1%) for mere mortals.
|
|
littleoldlady
Member of DD Central
Running down all platforms due to age
Posts: 3,045
Likes: 1,862
|
Post by littleoldlady on Jun 21, 2016 8:54:35 GMT
I may be very wrong but FS appear to treat property loans very differently to other loans.
As property loans appear to be less likely to pay interest at the end of the 6 month period why is 12% considered adequate? AFAIK Pawn loans are in FS's possession so can be simply sold upon default. For property loans they have a charge against the property rather than possession of it. This is expensive and time consuming to liquidate so better to give the borrower extra time if there is a realistic chance that he will come up with the funds.
|
|
|
Post by bluechip on Jun 22, 2016 0:15:19 GMT
Like any young business in a newish industry they are going where the money is. It takes big pockets and nerves of steel to stick to your plan if there is "easier" money to be made by tweaking your model to suit a more lucrative market (profit wise). Just think how many clients they need pawning watches, paintings etc in order to make the same money as one property deal.
I have a feeling that in a couple of years as P2P starts to mature we will find niche platforms that specialise in one thing only and will stick to it, becoming expert and keeping their clients happy. But at the moment there is still market space up for grabs, names to be made, headlines to be grabbed, and that is why I believe the trend to focus on property has taken over a lot of the platforms. To grow quickly they need big ticket deals or major investment, a lot of platforms are gambling as they run the risk of irking investors who are told one thing only to then be shown something else a few months later.
My guess is that in 2 years we will see 3 or 4 big full service platforms, with a multitude of sector specific ones that don't deviate from their specialty, boutique P2P that the big hitters aren't bothered about and will eventually swallow up when they start making decent money. It's too easy for the platforms to get away with messing the retail client around at the minute because they are all finding their feet and trying to grab market share before the inevitable consolidation happens. We still hold a bit of power, but it's on the wane as more and more institutions and Joe "ISA" public get involved.
|
|
stevio
Member of DD Central
Posts: 2,065
Likes: 894
|
Post by stevio on Jul 3, 2016 0:17:43 GMT
SS started with boats, then realised there was more money in property
In terms of scalability, the size of property loans will always substantial outweigh most other types
This is an advantage if you want to get large sums invested
Gold is preferred, some platforms even offer guaranteed money back in different ways because its relatively easy to resell, generally holds its price and easy to value
|
|