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Post by captainconfident on Jun 27, 2016 23:04:37 GMT
Looking at the desperate ' likes' to the post announcing the locking of the Brexit thread, you can see who is on the back foot.
Mrclondon, It is wrong to claim that no new material has been added to that thread in the last two days. There is a wealth of new discussion which is very necessary to this forum. The current financial troubles are nothing compared to what will occur when article 50 is triggered and the multinationals then begin to move out. We stand only on the edge of the cliff, and the more debate there is of the issues which face us the better. The referendum itself is not the end of matters. Please allow debate to continue.
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Post by starfished on Jun 27, 2016 23:18:48 GMT
Have to say, I agree with the thread being locked. The last few weeks have been unpleasant and I personally would like to pretend it all didn't happen if it means everyone being nicer to each other. Would welcome a thread that focused more on how we make this work, given the decision already made. The nation has made its decisions whether or not we personally voted for it.
As an example...
A friend was encouraging others to attend a session this week in London to help make Europeans feel welcome in the city, a charm offensive if you will (they had personal experience of their European friends feeling hurt by the vote). Personal view, think it would also be a good idea to do something similar that is UK specific? With Londoners going outside the M25 to meet people and build bridges. Without cynicism trying to understand the other person etc.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 27, 2016 23:34:35 GMT
Looking at the desperate ' likes' to the post announcing the locking of the Brexit thread, you can see who is on the back foot. What are you talking about? Nothing to do with desperate "likes" or being on the back foot, a thread has clearly run it's useful course when a mod starts making ambiguous comments!!  
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Post by registerme on Jun 28, 2016 0:06:48 GMT
This isn't specific to Brexit, more any subject that people feel passionate about..... You can see our dilemma though, can't you:-
* We let them run, and they have a tendency to at best tending towards the breaking of the forum rules and at worst outright nastiness.
* We put a stop to them and we open ourselves to accusations of censorship and / or stifling debate and the expression of opinion.
* Mod intervention (or, sometimes, lack of it) often involves annoying or upsetting one or more people. Though we are all grateful and respectful when people are understanding enough to respond "yeah, you're right, my bad".
* We're human too, and we have opinions, sometimes strongly held, ourselves.
* We're human too (2), we're not perfect, we'll make mistakes on occasion.
* It takes a lot of time. Moderation related activity, particularly around something that arouses peoples' passions, or intervention around a prolific or high profile forumite takes days of our time.
My hope is that this is broadly accepted and understood, and that everybody believes that we act in the interests of the community as a whole. We don't want, ever, to lose that.
Economic news around Brexit is going to be volatile, and disputed, for months - therefore it's not realistic to ban all Brexit related discussion, and more to the point, would be counter to the raison d'etre of the forum. But acknowledging that means that we run the risk of threads going bad. To that end I would say that it is realistic for all of us to expect people to behave politely towards each other and be constructive in what they say. There are no "forum points" awarded for winning arguments, whether by guile, volume, or repetition. One side taking cheap shots at the other will not be tolerated. "Subtle" attempts to subvert or evade are equally unwelcome.
Where you object personally to a post please don't get into a fight with a fellow forumite. The report button is there for a reason. Where you object to a post because your interpretation or analysis is different, say why, be polite, be constructive, be specific - argue the facts, such as they are, and not the poster.
To borrow from a man far more gracious than I will ever be, "can't we all just get along"?
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Post by phil on Jun 28, 2016 1:15:34 GMT
The current financial troubles are nothing compared to what will occur when article 50 is triggered and the multinationals then begin to move out. What current financial troubles? FTSE 100 is 8% higher than it was four months ago. FTSE 250 is merely 1.5% lower than four months ago. The pound was 1.38 to the dollar in February, now it's 132, nothing to panic about. Which multinationals will leave? Google, Facebook, Starbucks, AstraZeneca, BP, Diageo, Shell et al who pay nothing or next to nothing in corporation tax. Good riddance to them, except they make too much money here to even consider moving. 
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 28, 2016 8:57:51 GMT
Brexit bounce anyone?
As I write, FTSE 100 + 2.06%, FTSE 250 + 2.38%
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 28, 2016 9:09:56 GMT
The subject of the thread was about the run up to the referendum......now done and dusted the thread should be closed.......at present the country is still pretty much shocked by the result.......It may be worth waiting a few weeks to see how things pan out before starting a new debating thread, when hopefully the headless chickens will have been replaced by people who have some idea how to sort things out rather than just score brownie points
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 28, 2016 9:13:09 GMT
..at present the country is still pretty much shocked by the result.......It may be worth waiting a few weeks to see how things pan out..... when hopefully the headless chickens will have been replaced by people who have some idea how to sort things out rather than just score brownie points Absolutely spot on.
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Post by lb on Jun 28, 2016 10:23:53 GMT
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Jun 28, 2016 10:40:22 GMT
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Post by lb on Jun 28, 2016 10:44:00 GMT
yes, thanks
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 28, 2016 11:04:15 GMT
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Post by lb on Jun 28, 2016 11:27:21 GMT
yorkshireman you quoted my link then made no reference to it - do you think NF is a total embarrassment or do you approve of his behavior at the summit? Do you think he or JCJ is going to "win" the best deal here ... he is not doing UK (inc brexiters) any favors by winding everyone up is a schoolboy manner and he should really stay away now
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Post by Steerpike on Jun 28, 2016 11:40:43 GMT
Listening to Jeremy Hunt, for example, I suspect that what we are in for now is Project Pretend to Leave, yes the British people have voted and we have listened, but we are quietly going to try to change as little as possible.
Project Pretend will seek to justify the retention of free movement by introducing "strict" restrictions and promising to keep a jolly close eye on it, and reduce "significantly" the UK contributions to the EU budget, and, um, otherwise carry on largely as before.
Remainers happy, EU happy, Scotland stammering, Brexiteers puzzled.
Win, win, win, win.
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Post by jonno on Jun 28, 2016 11:42:04 GMT
yorkshireman you quoted my link then made no reference to it - do you think NF is a total embarrassment or do you approve of his behavior at the summit? Do you think he or JCJ is going to "win" the best deal here ... he is not doing UK (inc brexiters) any favors by winding everyone up is a schoolboy manner and he should really stay away now I wouldn't disagree with your views on NF; he either has to be more magnanimous/positive or not bother. However, as for JCJ, he was like your least favourite uncle who's spent too long on the sherry again. LEADER of Europe?  JEEZ 
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