baz657
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Post by baz657 on Apr 10, 2014 18:16:51 GMT
I recently (five weeks ago) dipped my toe into P2P lending with Funding Circle - trickled in just less than a thousand and it's well diversified. Even after this short time, I've noticed the rates obtainable are dropping. This is the first time in my life that I've played around with investing, basically because until now everything spare was invested into the family home or (more likely) the business. So now I've got a bit to play with. The "problem" is that in a month or two or three I'll have a not insignificant tax paid sum deposited into my current account. I know exactly what I'll be saying to whoever draws the short straw from the bank - unless it's a female and I'll keep the language clean - asking me what they can do to help me to invest it and keep it with them (not that I hold a grudge against banks who have never, ever, helped me... ). Aside from that and maybe a few grand spent on the business and on the kids (even though they'll each be getting near six figures from the same source and I'll see none of theirs) I'm pretty clueless. This is where (hopefully) you lot come in. I'm 57 in June. I'm currently a basic tax payer because as I've no personal outgoings I can live on nothing and just manage to scrape up to the tax threshold inc. a £80/month pension . No other pension, no ISA's, no nothing. I had a share in a C172 but some plonker crashed that. What I've invested into the business is my pension and has been a better return. I'm not planning on retiring but I am willing (so she tells me!) to take things a bit easier and have some more leisure time. So what are my options?
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Post by markr on Apr 11, 2014 8:38:12 GMT
Hi and welcome to the world of P2P, baz.
When I paid a significant cheque into my bank and the cheery clerk commented on what a nice windfall it was and whether I was planning anything nice it was only the glass screen and her being a lady that prevented me punching her in the face! Bank staff need training that people presenting large cheques from companies that specialise in life insurance are rarely in the mood for chitchat.
Anyway, enough about banks. I like FC, it gets a lot of (deserved) criticism here but it's a good way to "play" with your money because you can get better returns by actively managing your bids and portfolio. Rates fluctuate quite wildly, low if there's a surplus of lender cash and high if there's a surplus of loans. Recently there's been a loan glut, with over 100 auctions at any one time, and rates have been at a high not seen for ages, but things are settling down to more normal levels now.
I would diversify between P2P providers, there are lots of different models and loan types so you can spread risk quite well. FC specialise is unsecured business loans (although they are getting into property), Assetz and Wellesley specialise in loans secured on property, RateSetter and Zopa on unsecured personal loans and so on. Platforms with a provision fund generally provide lower headline rates but potentially lower risk. Remember though that no P2P model is risk free.
I would also have some investments outside P2P, in more traditional investment funds for example. While we are all enthusiastic supporters of P2P here, we should always remember it is a relatively young and small industry and we don't know what the future holds.
Hope this helps.
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JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Apr 11, 2014 10:48:07 GMT
What I've invested into the business is my pension and has been a better return. I'm not planning on retiring but I am willing (so she tells me!) to take things a bit easier and have some more leisure time. So what are my options? Just a word of caution from past experience. I had a very profitable business in the 1970s and ploughed back all the profits, expecting it to keep me in my old age. Disaster struck in 1979 with the policies of Mrs Thatcher, which turned a £1000 per week profit into a £1000 per week loss within a few weeks. 5 years later I sold off what was left and after redundancy payments my pension was gone.
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baz657
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Post by baz657 on Apr 11, 2014 16:07:55 GMT
Thanks for the info and advice markr - very similar to my current thinking. I enjoy the bidding and winning (or losing) on Funding Circle for the gain of a few pennies but realise I'd never have enough spare time in the day to make a living out of P2P. Sorry to hear about your circumstances JamesFrance. I managed to stay in business since 1984 with several ups and downs but it's now grown to the stage where the worst possible scenario will see me out in comfort despite (or is that in spite of) the efforts of all the different governments, banks, etc. I've still got a commercial mortgage in place but my accountant has advised me not to pay it off early due to tax liabilities (how is that ever right???). I've done all my building for the future. The future's now and it's me time.
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