trouble
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Post by trouble on Jul 10, 2016 0:00:26 GMT
If you were an early adopter of P2P then you (like me) will have benefited from high interest rate returns for what in reality were low risks, but as we are now seeing the AC lender interest rate falling us 'Peters' are going elsewhere for our 10%+ returns. I just don't shout about it like a Moaning Myrtle. We are no different than the new 'Pauls' who for a little bit of a bonus (we got our bonus in the original interest rate) on things like the £2k Moneysupermarket offer might well be a rate tart, personally i'd call them savvy investors, just like us early adopters who are hey, guess what? Rate Tarts at the end of the day, hence the moaning. AC - they are just following a business model. Who wouldn't rather have a 'benign legion of 1,000s of investors putting in £2k' as opposed to a 'self serving 100' who moan non-stop, demand personal responses from Chris, Andrew, Stuart etc, and no doubt bombard the Customer Service Team expecting immediate responses, which if they don't get, then report so on here coz it makes them feel important ................. keyboard warriors - the internet salutes you Personally I am leaving AC slowly as loans get repaid (I am not anticipating investing anymore money via AC so my 6 figures will reduce rapidly over the next 12 months), but they've served me well for the last 3 years or so, and i wish them well as they reach a critical mass of lenders via the QAA etc. A message to all the moaners, ''get over it, move on elsewhere and stop being so soft, the gravy train wasn't going to last forever, but 3 (will be 4) years ain't been bad''
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Post by bluechip on Jul 10, 2016 1:26:57 GMT
Trouble - So you have arrived at the same conclusion, but just don't think we should say anything? I'd wager that there have been numerous times platforms have provisionally planned to go down one route and hadn't anticipated the possible problem it may cause, only to find the feedback on here has saved them a fortune in time and money. I regularly see "moaners" getting thanked by the platform reps for pointing out an oversight, or letting them know what the customer thinks of their idea rather than a snapshot of their own workforce, who will inevitably be biased toward the bosses idea and may not be personal users of the platform.
Personally I'd rather go down fighting, you never know if enough people "moan" the platform may just realise that they need to appease/reward their loyal customers and not take them for granted, preventing scenarios like this from leading to us getting off the train a few stops early. Some of us have invested in AC the company as well, so it's doubly important that we don't let them ride roughshod over long standing customers - marketing managers are not always right and often don't think about the bigger picture in my experience. I can imagine (but I don't know) whoever came up with this idea was simply tasked to bring in X amount of new accounts, that person will have not thought so much about what this may do to existing accounts, which is why I used the Peter/Paul terminology. Maybe if this idea is raised again they will think twice as they may not have hedged for such a hemorrhage of long term money, (if that is what is happening).
I'm more concerned with the timing and where to put the 6 figures I have recently withdrawn, rather than getting a token £150 bonus, but the principle is the key here and it's important the platform has an understanding of the ramifications of their decision making and don't falsely attribute it to something else, something like BREXIT for example! I think it's fair to bring that up on a forum such as this.
P.S - I agree with you about people wanting special service (I want a fair service), but ultimately my feeling is the platform seems to want their cake and eat it at the minute, their prerogative of course, but remember they do engage on this website and without the long term investors they wouldn't be here.
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Post by jackpease on Jul 10, 2016 6:57:56 GMT
I worry about the 'moaning' rather than just going quietly.... Assetz in the early days was like SS is now ie feast and famine and then defaults - moaning about that led to all sorts of whizzy funds that i have never really understood so i've just moved on. Much moaning at SS about things like 'the nine loans' and how they should have been 'spread out' which for me misses the point of SS (and assetz as was) that this sort of risky reactive lending is precisely what P2P is good at - it is a feature not a problem and the great thing about SS (and assetz before) is that we really can pick and choose which loans we like.
Creeping 'improvements' in reaction to moaning can kill simplicity!
Jack P
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Post by andrewholgate on Jul 11, 2016 11:40:56 GMT
I am sorry that lenders feel we no longer offer them what they want. Models change and develop, and that has been the case at AC. What we have implemented in recent months has been successful and we won't be going back on it. There will be further changes and enhancements as we grow, but I not only have a duty to our customers but also to our shareholders. They want us to be profitable and make a return on their investment. That is business, and the model we have now is proving to be a successful one that our shareholders like.
As I say, I'm sorry to see anyone go, but I cannot run a business on the views of a minority of the customer base when the majority are happy with what we offer. We do listen to when there are major flaws and have made changes when needed. Thank you for being a customer and helping us become what we are. You are always welcome to come back.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 11, 2016 15:59:11 GMT
Thanks Andrew.
Once/If I start to see some reliable structure to the products and consistency of loans etc I am sure I will return. Obviously as a business you need to look after your shareholders, I'm looking forward to the next Seedrs update and being granted the shares in the near future so I can start benefiting from those profits.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jul 13, 2016 9:57:46 GMT
I'm toe-dipping in AC at the moment, and so haven't seen the "golden early days". To me, the GEIA and GBBA look to be good, solid reasonable-return alternatives to FC, LC et al in the SME-borrower sector, something I've been looking for since FC's self-inflicted death. I'm quite happy to have a lower return with the protection of a PF. I've got my fill of high-return property through SS, and I've got more than enough consumer loan through RS (especially now rates are dropping), so AC-as-it-is-today seems to offer exactly what I'm after.
I just wish that it wasn't so damn slow to get money lent out in the GEIA and GBBA. I've tried wrapping my head around the MLIA, and it just seems like far too much headache for an imbalance of work versus extra return.
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Post by chris on Jul 13, 2016 10:34:24 GMT
I'm toe-dipping in AC at the moment, and so haven't seen the "golden early days". To me, the GEIA and GBBA look to be good, solid reasonable-return alternatives to FC, LC et al in the SME-borrower sector, something I've been looking for since FC's self-inflicted death. I'm quite happy to have a lower return with the protection of a PF. I've got my fill of high-return property through SS, and I've got more than enough consumer loan through RS (especially now rates are dropping), so AC-as-it-is-today seems to offer exactly what I'm after. I just wish that it wasn't so damn slow to get money lent out in the GEIA and GBBA. I've tried wrapping my head around the MLIA, and it just seems like far too much headache for an imbalance of work versus extra return. We're working very hard on this at the moment. Hopefully only another handful of weeks of slow lending before we're back into the territory we were in back in Feb / Mar / Apr where you could invest as fast as you could deposit in the GBBA. GEIA has a similar plan but I don't know the timeline on that. Hopefully similar timeframe but could be longer.
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Investboy
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Post by Investboy on Jul 13, 2016 12:15:06 GMT
... views of a minority of the customer base when the majority are happy with what we offer ... Please find me one customer who prefers lower rates than higher ones. Also the fact that people investing in your current offering doesn't mean they are happy with it. Personally I'm staying with AC for platform diversification and risk dispersion. I've missed gold old days with rates 12%+, managed to buy few on SM (some days before default ). But I really don't understand the point of offering 7% or less in MLIA when we have the same in GBBA, GEIA with provision fund. Or maybe I understand as there is no chance to invest any larger sum of money in those 2 accounts so lenders are left with the former.
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Post by bababill on Jul 28, 2016 12:35:13 GMT
If no other choice I would rather invest at 7% in the MlLA vs the GBBA as the GBBA contains some loans I believe are too risky. Even though there is a provision fund, I currently have funds locked into the GBBA indefinitely. The capital cannot be realized until the receiver has done their work and the security is sold which may be years down the line.
Yes, I am still earning interest but no return of capital is possible at the moment because I let the GBBA invest on my behalf. And keep in mind we are still operating under what is considered ‘normal’ market conditions.
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