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Post by monkeymagic on Jul 26, 2016 12:32:41 GMT
Following on from my questions in the Zopa/Ratesetter forums:
Where should I put £10k in a P2P account in order to tick these boxes:
Able to withdraw reasonably quickly in 3 years or less. Relatively cautious by P2P terms (I understand the risks involved) Paying at least 5% Low maintenance (i.e autobids, not manual bidding)
The £10k chunk is part of a wider investment (£100k) that will include current accounts, some riskier manual P2P options etc. All for 3 years.
I was initially considering Zopa or Ratesetter, but it has been pointed out to me that there are quite heavy fees for pulling out of e.g 5 year loans at the 3 year point.
Any advice appreciated.
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Post by locutus on Jul 26, 2016 12:37:46 GMT
Have a look at Bond Mason. It has decent returns with a more hands off approach that you require. Very diversified so should be safe and the returns should be 7% after fees.
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Post by ben on Jul 26, 2016 12:39:56 GMT
There is assetz GBBA account at 7% or LI most of there investments are for a year.
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Post by housepriceanalytics on Jul 26, 2016 15:03:41 GMT
You could split the first £7k between RS, AC, LB, Z (easy access) and LW for relatively low risk for the first year and their cashback offers between 5% and 10%.
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Post by fp on Jul 26, 2016 17:07:50 GMT
Bond mason, trickle it in a bit at a time and forget about it.
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Post by monkeymagic on Jul 26, 2016 17:34:42 GMT
RS, AC, LB, Z (easy access) and LW
Is there a guide to these acronyms anywhere? I've seen them used in this forum elsewhere, but not always sure what they are. I can get three of them but I'm stuck on LB and LW!
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Post by monkeymagic on Jul 26, 2016 17:36:48 GMT
I will check Bond Mason out, thanks. Although this is less of a case of "dribbling it in" than wanting to get as much as possible invested as quickly as possible.
I've just been approved by Allianz, so will check that out for sure. Might dabble in their manual loans as well.
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Post by Liz on Jul 26, 2016 17:39:10 GMT
RS, AC, LB, Z (easy access) and LW Is there a guide to these acronyms anywhere? I've seen them used in this forum elsewhere, but not always sure what they are. I can get three of them but I'm stuck on LB and LW! Yes: p2pindependentforum.com/thread/257/glossaryEdit: Ratesetter, Assetz Capital, Land Bay, Zopa & Lending Works. All have a forum on this site; Check "More p2x sites" for some of them.
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Post by monkeymagic on Jul 26, 2016 23:15:12 GMT
Thanks. Assetz Capital won't give me an answer to my question - how long is it likely to take to get my money out in 3 years time? Can anyone here give me a ballpark figure?! I understand it's dependent on market conditions, but I literally don't know whether to expect 6 days, 6 weeks or a couple of years!
And re: Landbay I see they only have a 3.99% rate now. Seems very low, is it such a safe investment that it's worth it?
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Post by lynnanthony on Jul 27, 2016 4:01:53 GMT
Thanks. Assetz Capital won't give me an answer to my question - how long is it likely to take to get my money out in 3 years time? Can anyone here give me a ballpark figure?! I understand it's dependent on market conditions, but I literally don't know whether to expect 6 days, 6 weeks or a couple of years! And re: Landbay I see they only have a 3.99% rate now. Seems very low, is it such a safe investment that it's worth it? I don't think anyone can answer that. Getting your money out involves selling your loans which means there have to be buyers. Today on Assetz you could get out of most of your loans within hours; minutes even. In three years time? Who knows? In my view, P2P is not a good place to put money if you are going to need all of it back on a particular date. Maybe if you could work on the basis of getting 80% of it out more or less on demand then you'd be OK but there are no guarantees. If you are in any loans that have defaulted then you can be tied up in those for years.
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Post by monkeymagic on Jul 27, 2016 8:54:57 GMT
Ok thanks. So out of interest what would you do with it? We can get three Santander 123 accounts at 3% with a £5 monthly fee (one in each of our names and one joint account) that will pay interest up to £20,000. That covers £60k, leaving £40k to be invested elsewhere. More current accounts?
I'm self-employed with very irregular income, so putting regular monthly payments into a current account isn't possible, which rules most of them out. My wife is part-time, so can put salary into one account.
I can do some manual P2P loans into short term high percentage loans (i.e Collateral etc.) but so far I'm finding it hard to invest more than a few hundred pounds each day, so it's quite time-consuming and slow.
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Post by pom on Jul 27, 2016 9:11:24 GMT
I'm self-employed with very irregular income, so putting regular monthly payments into a current account isn't possible, which rules most of them out. My wife is part-time, so can put salary into one account. Doesn't need to be new money, just set up standing orders each month to move some money in a loop around all your accounts and then back to the originating account.
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Post by james on Jul 27, 2016 9:15:28 GMT
Quite time consuming and slow is normal enough in P2P. You might look at platforms with secondary markets that are free of fees and consider initially making secondary market purchases. There's a fair bit often available at MoneyThing or Ablrate, though at Ablrate do be sure that you're happy with the premium price usually asked and the resulting yield (effective interest rate). Resale liquidity is a good deal higher at MoneyThing than Ablrate at the moment but that tends to vary over time and based on the particular loan. Don't be surprised to seldom see much available at the secondary market at MoneyThing most of the time, you need to catch it at a time when there's a lot available and there's such high demand that it can take quite a few checks before you find plenty to do what you want.
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Post by archie on Jul 27, 2016 9:17:28 GMT
Ok thanks. So out of interest what would you do with it? We can get three Santander 123 accounts at 3% with a £5 monthly fee (one in each of our names and one joint account) that will pay interest up to £20,000. That covers £60k, leaving £40k to be invested elsewhere. More current accounts? I'm self-employed with very irregular income, so putting regular monthly payments into a current account isn't possible, which rules most of them out. My wife is part-time, so can put salary into one account. I can do some manual P2P loans into short term high percentage loans (i.e Collateral etc.) but so far I'm finding it hard to invest more than a few hundred pounds each day, so it's quite time-consuming and slow. Personally I don't think the current accounts are worth it, I know others here like them If you are looking at Collateral then I'd also suggest looking at MoneyThing, a lot of the loans there are for 6 months. These platforms are higher risk though. I'd be cautious with property loans as they often pay back later than stated. Rollovers on MT pay back on the day of the renewal, on some sites you have to wait for the renewed loan to be filled.
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Post by monkeymagic on Jul 27, 2016 9:33:20 GMT
I'm mostly avoiding property currently, which is the main reason investing manually is slow at the moment.
I'm already on Moneything, Collateral, Unbolted, Funding Secure and Assetz Capital. I've registered with Ablrate, but have some kind of ID verification issue currently.
I put £1000 into Zopa+, before I understood the potential cost of getting the money out early.
Maybe I should be bolder with property, am I being over-cautious?
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