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Post by wickedxuk on Aug 18, 2016 10:40:12 GMT
Can someone explain to me what the exit plan is for these? I'm new to these type of loans and FS don't really seem to give much information on why they are taking the loan out and how they are raising funds to pay it back (plus interest).
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Post by 09dolphin on Aug 18, 2016 16:51:48 GMT
There are several loans based on model railway engines and carriages etc.
Up to the present the loans I have invested in have all been renewed on time.
In the recent past there has been a new loan generated on railway models when one or more loans were coming up for renewal which may be coincidental but causes me concern.
FS don't give any information about what the loans are for or the borrower's exit strategy.
I personally think that, because of the lack of information provided and the renewal and borrowing history, that these are investments I am interested in renewing.
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Post by 09dolphin on Aug 18, 2016 16:53:57 GMT
Re above post
Should say I'm NOT interested in renewing. Apologies to all readers
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Post by wickedxuk on Aug 18, 2016 18:10:44 GMT
Thanks 09dolphin. Surely there must be a details exit strategy? As part of the application process this surely must be discussed and documented? fundingsecure can you clarify?
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Post by bg on Aug 18, 2016 18:32:10 GMT
Thanks 09dolphin . Surely there must be a details exit strategy? As part of the application process this surely must be discussed and documented? fundingsecure can you clarify? It's a pawn loan. That's the whole point, you don't need to give any details or exit strategy. You just give them the asset and if you don't pay they sell it. SaveSave
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Post by Liz on Aug 18, 2016 20:00:58 GMT
Thanks 09dolphin . Surely there must be a details exit strategy? As part of the application process this surely must be discussed and documented? fundingsecure can you clarify? I wonder why he needs all of these loans! Why not just sell a few poxy trains.
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Post by wickedxuk on Aug 18, 2016 21:20:20 GMT
Haha Liz. That's what I don't get. If they are short on cash how are they going to pay/buy back. I guess as long as the asset is valued accurately it doesn't make much difference to us. As long as the value is recovered. Although not preferential of course.
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Post by woodie on Aug 18, 2016 21:53:48 GMT
Those few poxy trains have provided a considerable number of investors with a 12% return.
If everybody sold, rather than pawned, this platform wouldn't exist.
Because somebody wants to keep their collection intact shouldn't be the object of fun.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 18, 2016 23:15:14 GMT
I have a vague recollection that FS has either posted some further details about why the borrower wants the loan on forum or on one of the loan descriptions if anybody wants to hunt for it (and risk going on a wide goose chase if I'm wrong)
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 6, 2016 12:16:10 GMT
I haven't done a proper analysis, but it does look like some of the additional loans were made to provide the funds to renew some of the earlier loans. Which might be OK if the borrower has an infinitely large collection. If they run out new items to pledge, however, and can't fund another renewal then things could get rather awkward.
I haven't a clue how active the market in these collectibles is, but I suspect 'values' for these sort of things depend a lot on supply and demand. If there were just a few items to sell, the expected value might be realisable. But if FS find themselves trying to sell £220k worth of these things all at once the sale results could be disappointing.
I've been investing via FS long enough to remember a couple of loans they made where the security was a collection of paintings by a single artist. When the loans were not repaid, and FS tried to sell all the paintings at once, IIRC some sold for 30% of the valuation and some didn't sell at all. I wasn't in those loans, so I haven't a clue whether FS still have some of those paintings to sell. (The most recent info on the website is from a year ago. If you're interested, search for loan 2002084876.)
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Post by arbster on Sept 6, 2016 13:22:38 GMT
I opted out of the recent loans for similar reasons. Part of me also feels slightly uncomfortable imagining a kindly-looking old gent tinkering away in his shed with a quarter-million debt racking up 15-20% interest per annum...
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