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Post by reeknralf on Sept 15, 2016 19:05:17 GMT
On Monday I sent the email below to FS. I haven't had a reply.
I have a question about the way you calculate interest on overdue loans.
Consider 2 identical 12% loans. The first renews after 6 months and pays back after 12 months. This borrower pays 1.06x1.06=12.36% interest. The second borrower, doesn't pay the interest after 6 months, and the loan drifts for a further 6 months, before finally being repaid. This borrower pays only 12% interest.
As such, a borrower who doesn't pay his interest on time, pays a lower annual rate of interest, than a borrower who pays on time. Similarly lenders stuck in a loan which drifts for a long time (I'm thinking of south wales) not only have their money tied up longer than was contractually agreed, they are also penalised by a lower annual rate of interest. Surely from 183 days, interest should accumulate not just on the capital borrowed, but also on the interest which ordinarily should be paid at 183 days?
Because of the way FS calculate interest, the longer a loan goes overdue, the lower XIRR becomes. South Wales XIRR is now down to 11.9% against a contracted 12%; this in addition to having to hold a 183 day loan for 405 days and counting. I think this merits a reply, or am I just being pedantic?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 9:46:06 GMT
I would be surprised if FS did not apply penalties on interest rates to the borrower. So, I assume they do get their additional reward for the delay. They simply do not share it with lenders.
In any case I would be interested in their official answers
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 16, 2016 13:15:14 GMT
Here's a further thought...
The borrower who renews after six months probably pays some sort of renewal fee similar to what they paid when they first took out the loan. Does the borrower who lets their six month loan drift on for another six months manage to avoid those as well?
I'm with @hor1997 on this one. I expect FS try to charge late borrowers extra but just don't share any of that with us. Which is fine in light of the extra work they have to do dealing with late loans -- as long as their investors eventually achieve complete recovery. Where it gets sticky is if security sale proceeds aren't enough for that. In that case, what gets full recovery -- FS's fees, or investors' accrued interest?
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Post by spiral on Sept 16, 2016 15:25:43 GMT
what gets full recovery -- FS's fees, or investors' accrued interest? From T&C's. 6.2.5 Net proceeds of sale of Assets shall be used to settle amounts due in the following order:
Principal amount of Loan which was funded by, and is repayable to, the Investors (allocated pro rata in accordance with the proportion of the Loan amount which each Investor invested);
Direct costs incurred by FundingSecure through the setting up and the administration of the Loan including, but not limited to, storage costs, referral fees and valuation fees up to the date of sale;
Interest due to the Investors up to the date of sale (allocated pro rata in accordance with the proportion of the Loan amount which each Investor invested);
Administration fees due to FundingSecure not recovered through clause 6.2.5(ii) above; The balance (if any) will be returned to the Borrower.So in answer to your question, investors interest unless they are direct costs.
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