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Post by mill750 on Apr 25, 2014 9:09:12 GMT
Being fairly new to p2p lending and now have invested through 3 main players a reasonable 5 figure total , do I stick to banks for a similar amount again or spread more in p2p . I know this is a personal risk question , but I am trying to gauge people's general confidence in p2p at present time , plus I am anti bank at the minute
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Post by markr on Apr 25, 2014 9:42:06 GMT
I'm not anti-bank per-se, but the problem with banks at the moment is it is difficult to find accounts that pay above inflation rates, especially on instant or near-instant access. My view is I'd like to use the bank for very liquid cash, the rainy day funds, so don't want to lock funds away in bonds (I'd rather get better rates in P2P, although of course that sacrifices FSCS protection). I have a Santander 1-2-3 account which I keep reasonably topped up and an old cash ISA that I've left for emergencies even though it's currently paying below inflation. I also use my ISA allowance in "traditional" funds but when P2P is available in an ISA I'll probably put more into P2P instead.
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Post by j on Apr 25, 2014 18:58:19 GMT
I don't really see P2P or P2B lending as a direct alternative to bank depos but it's hard to generalize since it depends on the specific platform and product through which you are lending. P2B lending (secured or unsecured) to SMEs is for me a fixed income credit product and as such get lumped to together with my corporate bond holdings in my asset allocation. P2P lending is a bit more difficult to define, and depending on the product/platform, I bucket it as a cash depo (short duration/liquid) or fixed income credit product (long duration/illiquid). With the exception of Zopa, none of these platforms have operated during periods of rising interest rates or widening credit spreads. The period 2010 to 2014 has seen tightening credit spreads across all investment products which is normal during the first 5 years of a typical 8-10 year economic expansion post crisis/recession. Investment grade credit spreads are already close to pre-2008 crisis lows and spec grade is not much wider. So this has been an ideal period for P2P lending. How their business models would cope with the competition caused by wider credit spreads in other products is questionable. For example, high yield spec grade bonds yield say 5-6%, making P2B platforms offering 8-12% attractive. However, in 2011, the same corporate bonds yielded 10%+. If yields went back to those levels, would P2B platforms need to offer 15%+ to attract lenders? Would any borrower pay such a yield? Moreover, as we move into the second phase of the expansion, we normally observe increased balance sheet leverage (corporate and consumer) which leads inevitably, as rates and spreads widen, to higher default rates. Nonetheless, I don't see the market risk associated with P2P/P2B lending as hugely problematic right now. It's quite possible to lose money, especially in post-tax real terms but that's the same as any investment. I remain more cautious about the operational risks associated with each platform. With the exception of TC and AC, I'm not clear that many of the platforms are turning a profit. RS did another fund raise last year so it should be ok for a while but Zopa has been around since 2005/06 and I do wonder how long it can go on without turning profitable. While most platforms have provisions for an ordered unwind if they went belly up, I really wonder how practical that would be, what sort of haircut we might see on loan repayments and how much contagion we might get on other platforms if a major player went down. I am a big fan of the idea of P2P lending and right now there is some mispricing of risk which creates for some good investment opportunities. However, until we see how the platforms perform through a full blown credit crunch, I'm not really keen on deploying more than 5-10% of my net worth in P2P and only 1-2% per platform. I only really risk what I can afford to lose (though it would be still be hugely painful!) Very interesting & informative read. You can also say that p2p is riding on an upward wave currently & it's a good time to invest in the more established/better equipped platforms. Whether that wave crashes down at some point (I sincerely hope not as, like you, I love the ethos & principle of p2p in helping business & financially benefiting along the way too) remains to be seen. Interesting times ahead indeed
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Post by davee39 on Apr 25, 2014 21:23:47 GMT
I am avoiding the also-rans and me-too sites listed here with < £1million in outstanding loans. As far as I am concerned they offer nothing new or innovative and add layers of risk not present with the larger players. www.p2pmoney.co.uk/companies.htm
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Post by shimself on Apr 25, 2014 21:28:14 GMT
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Post by bugs4me on Apr 25, 2014 22:06:57 GMT
Not according to the last set of filed audited accounts - more of a break even. They are though well established so no doubt have a master plan. Think of more concern - well to me at least - is whether some of the smaller P2P/P2B platforms will be able to absorb the costs of FCA membership. The membership fee itself is okay, it's all the compliance costs that mount up.
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Post by mill750 on Apr 26, 2014 6:26:11 GMT
Great response to all ! Very interesting has added more angles of thought for me . Just have to be wary of the band wagon set ups . Do you think banks are taking notice of them yet and maybe respond with better rates with the strength of there guaranteed returns
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 26, 2014 18:06:32 GMT
Do you think banks are taking notice of them yet and maybe respond with better rates with the strength of there guaranteed returns I expect banks are following developments. But they'll not raise rates to savers until they need the money, which is to say not until HMG stop supplying them with nearly free funds.
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Post by oldnick on Apr 26, 2014 18:19:54 GMT
Will the new 'life style' questions slow down the mortgage market, or just make borrowers more creative with their answers? If the former, more money available to lend, so lower rates?
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