SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Oct 4, 2016 12:15:34 GMT
A hypothetical poll for those that lend via companies to the likes of FC / SS / AC / MT / FS / ABL / etc, triggered by a "what if" conversation last week:
AIUI, the relevant legislation currently specifies that an "FCA regulated" P2P loan contract ("36H compliant" in the jargon) can only exist between a borrower and an individual lender. Hence any P2P loan part bought by a company lender is by definition "unregulated" and, even if subsequently bought by an individual lender via a platform's Secondary Market, it remains "unregulated".
Faced with the prospect of individual lenders inadvertently, or even knowingly, holding a mix of regulated and unregulated loan parts (potentially even in the same loan), the FCA might insist before granting full FCA authorisation that platforms restructure their SMs to prevent individual lenders from purchasing unregulated loan parts. Effectively this might force the creation of a "regulated SM" that all can buy from (selling parts held by individual lenders) and an "unregulated SM" that only company lenders can buy from (selling parts held by company lenders).
My question is how would company P2P lenders react if in future they could only sell their loan parts to other company lenders? Would they be confident there'd still be sufficient liquidity in an "unregulated" secondary market (between company lenders) to carry on their lending as now? Would they reduce (or stop altogether) company lending via platforms that were obliged to operate parallel regulated and unregulated SMs? Would they reduce (or cease) company P2P lending to lend more (or solely) as individuals in future?
I appreciate it's all speculative so if my poll options aren't sufficient (tick up to 4 if the answer varies by platform) then please respond with comments instead / as well. Many thanks.
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Post by registerme on Oct 4, 2016 12:26:09 GMT
I think the basic premise of your question needs to be confirmed ie the difference between an individual and a company (and if such a difference exists, any ramifications). Isn't there something in law about companies and their nature / "corporate personhood"? Sorry, I'm clearly no lawyer and I'm probably getting the language completely wrong . If 36H does impact this way on corporate lenders it seems to me to be an unnecessary complication.....
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Post by SteveT on Oct 4, 2016 12:29:31 GMT
If 36H does impact this way on corporate lenders it seems to me to be an unnecessary complication..... I entirely agree with you but, for the purposes of this poll at least, let's assume that it does (at least for the foreseeable future)
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Post by easteregg on Oct 4, 2016 12:41:48 GMT
I have had several discussions concerning the FCA requiring peer-to-peer companies to differentiate true "peer-to-peer lending" and "marketplace lending".
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Post by wiseclerk on Oct 4, 2016 13:10:31 GMT
And with what outcome/reaction?
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Post by ablender on Oct 5, 2016 11:07:11 GMT
. . . this might force the creation of a "regulated SM" that all can buy from (selling parts held by individual lenders) and an "unregulated SM" that only company lenders can buy from (selling parts held by company lenders). This sounds to me that it will create a toxic situation (a kind of bottomless well) where any loans/parts that become unregulated will get out of reach of individuals, thus reducing the market for individuals. If this is the case, I cannot understand how FCA can view this as in the individual lenders' interest. Perhaps a change of regulations/law is in order.
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Post by james on Oct 5, 2016 11:51:46 GMT
AIUI, the relevant legislation currently specifies that an "FCA regulated" P2P loan contract ("36H compliant" in the jargon) can only exist between a borrower and an individual lender. Hence any P2P loan part bought by a company lender is by definition "unregulated" and, even if subsequently bought by an individual lender via a platform's Secondary Market, it remains "unregulated". 36H says, my bold: " (b) (in relation to a lender) in accordance with article 36H of the Regulated Activities Order, an agreement by which one person provides another person with credit (within the meaning of article 60L of the Regulated Activities Order) and in relation to which either:
(i) the lender is an individual or was an individual at the time the agreement was entered into; or
(ii) if the lender is not an individual or was not an individual at the time the agreement was entered into, either condition (A) or (B) is satisfied, or was satisfied at the time the agreement was entered into:
(A) the lender provides credit (within that meaning) of less than or equal to £25,000; or
(B) the agreement is not entered into by the borrower wholly or predominantly for the purposes of a business carried on, or intended to be carried on, by the borrower;" It seems that companies are permitted to lend to individuals or companies if the amount is no more than 25k or if more than 25k if the purpose is not for business. Person is defined as: " (in accordance with the Interpretation Act 1978) any person, including a body of persons corporate or unincorporate (that is, a natural person, a legal person and, for example, a partnership)." Whether multiple loan contracts can be used to go over 25k is something I'll leave alone for the moment...
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Post by SteveT on Nov 21, 2016 16:01:42 GMT
Update: I've heard this afternoon (from the platform contact I previously spoke to) that the FCA has now back-tracked and conceded that a loan contract involving a company lender can become 36H-compliant (via novation) if / when it is purchased by an individual lender, which obviates the potential SM trading segregation issue envisaged in the poll above. This also tallies with the new loan administration process announced last week by ablrate. Good news indeed for company lenders!
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