SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Oct 14, 2016 11:03:02 GMT
Try 1442701959 for starters. Currently 434 days into a 183 day loan with no interest yet paid (at any point)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 11:44:17 GMT
Try 1442701959 for starters. Currently 434 days into a 183 day loan with no interest yet paid (at any point) Once again, you are wrong (or try to hide the truth). FS loan 1442701959 was formally defaulted on 20th June 2016 (Formal appointment of LPA receiver and issuance of default notice, both effective from 20th June 2016). So the FS Platform persued its duty in full to maximise returns for lenders, nominating ITS representative to force the sale of the security. And the receiver seems also acting well, as far as I can see, as a sale had been confirmed to cover 100% of what due in the FS loan. (this is what any serious company should do: default the loan and force the sale of the security before the interest eats up all your chances for full recovery) What makes FC uniquely wrong (and I said it 50 times) is not the fact they have a long-late loan (which is normal), but that they are NOT defaulting the loan, not doing anything to stop the due amount increasing day after day. i.e. they are basically DIMINUISHING the changes for a full recover day after day, implicitly increasing the LTV of the loan 14978 without any lender's consent, well Beyond the promised levels and well above what should be allowed for an A-rated loan. This is not only moral hazard, but full financial misconduct by FC in my view. (I invested in a 65% LTV reasonably secure loan and they want to force me to stay in a 80%+LTV extremly risky loan....)
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sl125
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Post by sl125 on Oct 14, 2016 12:03:49 GMT
Hor: you really are talking out of your hat whilst claiming to be some expert in bridging finance.
For a start, as has been pointed out, a property development bridging loan would typically be paid with interest at the end of term. Delays are very common in property development, and so many loans breach their initial term. However, interest will continue to accrue, and any sensible lender will know that to call in the debt through a default would serve nobody's needs, since recovery will be harder. So any lender seeking to maximise the overall return rate will strike a balance and see whether to wait out rather than immediately go for a default.
You claimed on the other place that you somehow know the best practice in an industry you have no knowledge of (if I understand you from your previous posts you are an IT developer... Apparently one of the worlds best HTML coders who could fix FC's code in 5 minutes...).
Finlly, an expert in finance such as you should already know that you cannot raise a complaint to the FCA. The FCA is the regulatory body responsible for the policy of the finance industry. Complaints would be made to the Financial Ombudsman Service. But they would no doubt advise that you need to raise the formal complaint to FC in the first instance, and even after that would say that FC havent done anything wrong.
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Post by sl125 on Oct 14, 2016 12:07:34 GMT
Going back to the original post of this thread. Perhaps the real reason you were "jailed" on the other place is your constant spamming, "unacceptable" use of defamatory language and shouty capitalised words. Nothing to do with silencing criticism, but with silencing a troll.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 12:20:53 GMT
Hor: you really are talking out of your hat whilst claiming to be some expert in bridging finance. For a start, as has been pointed out, a property development bridging loan would typically be paid with interest at the end of term. Delays are very common in property development, and so many loans breach their initial term. However, interest will continue to accrue, and any sensible lender will know that to call in the debt through a default would serve nobody's needs, since recovery will be harder. So any lender seeking to maximise the overall return rate will strike a balance and see whether to wait out rather than immediately go for a default. You claimed on the other place that you somehow know the best practice in an industry you have no knowledge of (if I understand you from your previous posts you are an IT developer... Apparently one of the worlds best HTML coders who could fix FC's code in 5 minutes...). Finlly, an expert in finance such as you should already know that you cannot raise a complaint to the FCA. The FCA is the regulatory body responsible for the policy of the finance industry. Complaints would be made to the Financial Ombudsman Service. But they would no doubt advise that you need to raise the formal complaint to FC in the first instance, and even after that would say that FC havent done anything wrong. As I said earlier, this FC decision appers to be unique in the industry in terms of lenght and size of what is 'allowed' to the borrower. In doing so, FC has clearly breached the contract and the investment they are arbitrarilly bringing forward now (after 210+ days of unpaid interest) is not even closely related to the original I (and all lenders) signed for. I never claimed to be a bridging loan expert. Just a simple investor who wishes to maximise the returns with honest products which comply with what promised at the investment point (as per FCA rules). I was offered a 65% LTV A-rated loan. If this loan is no-where near those parameters now, I should be: a) adviced by FC its LTV has shooted up to 77-80%, b)allowed not to partecipate if I wish so. A company not doing the above (FC) and not defaulting the loan is clearly acting against the best interest of lenders. I have already taken all the necessary steps to raise the formal complaint and will go trought the correct steps to escalate the complaint to the correct authorities (and be sure this is not the first time for me....). I certainly will not assist silently to the destruction of my money and gift to an untrusted 'borrower'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 12:26:39 GMT
Going back to the original post of this thread. Perhaps the real reason you were "jailed" on the other place is your constant spamming, "unacceptable" use of defamatory language and shouty capitalised words. Nothing to do with silencing criticism, but with silencing a troll. Thank you for the lesson with insults. I never used defamatory language (differently from you; calling me troll IS DEFAMATORY and those are YOUR words), I never insulted a peer, as I have full respect for those risking their money as I am and never spammed a thread (even when I am the only one in-topic, which happened a lot on the FC forums). Of course I understand some people are payed or have interests in favour of FC (and I refer to the FC forum moderators, to be clear), which I don't have, and criticism is not easy to accept for FC when it is very well focused, so it is clear they will try to stop it with all means.... But my determination is unstoppable. I will continue persuing all legal means I have available until my money is returned....
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Post by registerme on Oct 14, 2016 12:33:47 GMT
Play nice people. Note that calling somebody a "troll" is in and of itself often trolling. Similarly, implying hidden platform related bias without any substantiation is nothing more than an allegation, and equally unhelpful. Any escalation of this unnecessary sniping will lead to, at the least, post deletion and likely thread locking.
This would be a shame, it's an important discussion. You can have that discussion here. Just follow the forum rules.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 12:38:05 GMT
Play nice people. Note that calling somebody a "troll" is in and of itself often trolling. Similarly, implying hidden platform related bias without any substantiation is nothing more than an allegation, and equally unhelpful. Any escalation of this unnecessary sniping will lead to, at the least, post deletion and likely thread locking.
This would be a shame, it's an important discussion. You can have that discussion here. Just follow the forum rules. With regards to the 'hidden platform bias', it is not hidden at all. My sentence refers to the FC forum administrators (authors of the jaling mentioned in the first post), which are well-known to be FC biased and very likely on their pay-book in some form as well.
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SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Oct 14, 2016 13:16:40 GMT
Try 1442701959 for starters. Currently 434 days into a 183 day loan with no interest yet paid (at any point) Once again, you are wrong (or try to hide the truth). FS loan 1442701959 was formally defaulted on 20th June 2016 (Formal appointment of LPA receiver and issuance of default notice, both effective from 20th June 2016). So the FS Platform persued its duty in full to maximise returns for lenders, nominating ITS representative to force the sale of the security. And the receiver seems also acting well, as far as I can see, as a sale had been confirmed to cover 100% of what due in the FS loan. I suggest you read through the update history again. 1442701959 is still an Active loan (so appears nowhere in the FS default statistics) and it seems clear that it is the Borrower that is still driving the sale process, even though the Receiver that was consulted presumably remains on stand-by if the sale falls through. As you didn't like that one, how about 1029913142 (not one I'm in, happily), now past 300 days and counting.
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Post by dorset on Oct 14, 2016 13:55:01 GMT
You have my sympathies hor1997 but the problem is FC assuming a given level of finance knowledge among its lenders. FC should point out at commencement on say a six month loan that this is the expected term although it is not a term loan but a line of credit that could (and probably will) extend beyond six months. Thankfully I exited the FC property loan sector some months ago - the interest rates simply do not come close to covering the risk.
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Post by blender on Oct 14, 2016 14:22:56 GMT
You have my sympathies hor1997 but the problem is FC assuming a given level of finance knowledge among its lenders. FC should point out at commencement on say a six month loan that this is the expected term although it is not a term loan but a line of credit that could (and probably will) extend beyond six months. Thankfully I exited the FC property loan sector some months ago - the interest rates simply do not come close to covering the risk. But it is a term loan. This is p2p and the contract between the lender and the borrower is for a term loan and their system is designed for amortising term loans. The problem comes from FC trying to use a term loan to extend a line of credit, because their systems cannot cope. Most of FC's lenders do not need any knowledge and do not care. It's the ones with the knowledge (or some knowledge) who expect the loan to be managed as a term loan, who are unhappy when FC tries to manage it as if it were a different animal.
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Post by jayjay on Oct 14, 2016 17:03:48 GMT
I was just wondering, are FC's jail sentences of a fixed length or can they be extended by 180 days or more without notice?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 17:37:37 GMT
You have my sympathies hor1997 but the problem is FC assuming a given level of finance knowledge among its lenders. FC should point out at commencement on say a six month loan that this is the expected term although it is not a term loan but a line of credit that could (and probably will) extend beyond six months. Thankfully I exited the FC property loan sector some months ago - the interest rates simply do not come close to covering the risk. But it is a term loan. This is p2p and the contract between the lender and the borrower is for a term loan and their system is designed for amortising term loans. The problem comes from FC trying to use a term loan to extend a line of credit, because their systems cannot cope. Most of FC's lenders do not need any knowledge and do not care. It's the ones with the knowledge (or some knowledge) who expect the loan to be managed as a term loan, who are unhappy when FC tries to manage it as if it were a different animal. I agree but there is further. I am not only worried about FC changing the funding tipology without having told me or having asked me. I am greatly worried about the ADDITIONAL RISK introduced in doing so. I lent on the exlusive basis of a 8-month loan with a 65% LTV. I would NOT have lent for 16 months with a 80% LTV. Given we have NOT been given any further security or cash from this borrower, our situation is getting worse every day. Assuming FC call in a receiver after 12 months they lost another 6-7% of the value than calling it in september, even assuming a constant housing price (and that is going down as well... so further worsening the situation.). FC is arbitrarilly and without lenders' consent offering more and more (of our) money in exchange for NOTHING and this is totally foolish (it does not take a loans world expert to understand this is unacceptable). In doing so, FC is changing in a hidden way the basic conditions of this loan (increasing substantially and beyond reason the LTV) and this action constitute financial misconduct to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 17:42:39 GMT
Once again, you are wrong (or try to hide the truth). FS loan 1442701959 was formally defaulted on 20th June 2016 (Formal appointment of LPA receiver and issuance of default notice, both effective from 20th June 2016). So the FS Platform persued its duty in full to maximise returns for lenders, nominating ITS representative to force the sale of the security. And the receiver seems also acting well, as far as I can see, as a sale had been confirmed to cover 100% of what due in the FS loan. I suggest you read through the update history again. 1442701959 is still an Active loan (so appears nowhere in the FS default statistics) and it seems clear that it is the Borrower that is still driving the sale process, even though the Receiver that was consulted presumably remains on stand-by if the sale falls through. As you didn't like that one, how about 1029913142 (not one I'm in, happily), now past 300 days and counting. Steve, the Receivership is an OFFICIAL ACT which means the owner of the charge (FS) puts a person in their TRUST (they decide who it is) to sell the property. Let's not deny the basics. It shows the Platform is fully in charge now of the security sale. Loan 1029913142 is not even yet 4 months late and looks like FS has been extremly active to solve that an even willing to refinance the loan itself. Yes, they could have already acted or nominated a receiver but I am sure they will do if things are not sorted out shortly. Certainly I will complain if it happens with one of the loans I have with them. But this is nothing compared with 183+ days of the FC delay. In order to keep this thread clean please open another one on the FS forum to continue discussing the two FS loans if you wish so. To come back to FC, I would be very very very happy if FC put a Receiver for FC Loan 14978, and this is one of the thing I suggested on their forum they should do IMMEDIATELY to preserve some of the value still in the lenders' hands. Problem is that FC does not even seem interested in such a possibility. They have never talked about it, never mentioned in their updates where you basically understand they have done nothing at all, just waiting the borrower to do something...
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Post by fp on Oct 14, 2016 21:26:15 GMT
I was just wondering, are FC's jail sentences of a fixed length or can they be extended by 180 days or more without notice? They can be extended, but they do stop feeding you once it runs into an extension.
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