poppyland
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Post by poppyland on Oct 18, 2016 13:01:14 GMT
Now that SS is having to chase loans - and in the longer term investors - much harder, I am wondering whether they regret expanding to bigger offices and taking on lots of extra staff. Are they at risk of going under? And is this why nush just sold his whole £110K portfolio? (p.s. I already tried to create this thread, but it didn't seem to work....sorry if I ended up creating it twice.)
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Post by seeingred on Oct 18, 2016 13:15:02 GMT
Small organisations who lend money (and small builders who want to borrow it) are always at risk of a key person or two falling under a bus.
Loans related to football clubs might experience a loss of 'confidence' if just one key person somehow departed.
What contingency plans are in place for SS? Or for MT for that matter?
FC and Z certainly have plans and are large enough that loss of one or two key people would not matter so much.
If any small platform begins to have a feel of no-confidence about it, it is last one out turn off the lights?
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Post by ben on Oct 18, 2016 13:16:08 GMT
Now that SS is having to chase loans - and in the longer term investors - much harder, I am wondering whether they regret expanding to bigger offices and taking on lots of extra staff. Are they at risk of going under? And is this why nush just sold his whole £110K portfolio? (p.s. I already tried to create this thread, but it didn't seem to work....sorry if I ended up creating it twice.) It was rigid that sold that amount the other day and he never stated if it was his full portfolio or just part of it. Like all p2p companies SS make money from issuing loans, more loans they issue the more profit, with them charging some of the highest rates they will be limited to amount of borrorowers and at the moment SS has people wanting to invest in far more loans then they can issue at this rate. So makes sense to look at the next level down as many investors will be willing to invest in them to. Some will not but probably the majority will.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 18, 2016 13:22:19 GMT
Don't forget that SS is not "just" what we see as SS. SS is just a route-to-market, with a dedicated brand, for Lendy. www.lendyfinance.com/Sure, they're not about to challenge the top-end established finance houses in terms of size. But that means they're flexible enough to offer interesting returns, which is why we're here. Equally, they're not one man and his dog (woof!) out to mow working from their shed. Also, whilst many here are not exactly cheer-leaders for the FCA, I'd have thought that contingency planning was fairly high in the list of questions for the approval the players are all desperately spending a lot of time and effort on chasing. Not getting that has to be the biggest threat to ongoing business in the short to medium term.
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poppyland
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Post by poppyland on Oct 18, 2016 14:09:08 GMT
Now that SS is having to chase loans - and in the longer term investors - much harder, I am wondering whether they regret expanding to bigger offices and taking on lots of extra staff. Are they at risk of going under? And is this why nush just sold his whole £110K portfolio? (p.s. I already tried to create this thread, but it didn't seem to work....sorry if I ended up creating it twice.) It was rigid that sold that amount the other day and he never stated if it was his full portfolio or just part of it. Like all p2p companies SS make money from issuing loans, more loans they issue the more profit, with them charging some of the highest rates they will be limited to amount of borrorowers and at the moment SS has people wanting to invest in far more loans then they can issue at this rate. So makes sense to look at the next level down as many investors will be willing to invest in them to. Some will not but probably the majority will. You're right, it was rigid who sold 110K, and it may not have been all his stuff. I guess the lower loan rates are SS's way of making sure they DO stay in business...but it's kind of worrying if they are now offering borrowers a rate of 0.4% a month as someone suggested. This is a serious lowering of rates, and seems rather like panic.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 18, 2016 14:17:07 GMT
I guess the lower loan rates are SS's way of making sure they DO stay in business... Supply and demand should balance each other. At the moment, there is more supply of money than they can meet with demand from borrowers. The supply is not going away. So meet it with more demand = more business = more profit. But there are not enough putative borrowers looking for money at the price we're used to wanting, unless they lower their due diligence barriers. But there ARE, apparently, plenty of borrowers who will pay a lower price - but that's balanced by a safer loan. Remember, defaults are to be expected - 7% return after defaults is often given as a sensible, sustainable long-term target - and we're WAY ahead of the curve at the moment. Or is it a prudent way of growing their business in a sensible, sustainable way? 0.4%/mo - ~5%/yr - is not going to get much supply of money from their current investor base, is it? So not much point in getting that business in. Or is that business going to be met by Lendy's other sources of money? Is it a marketing come-on headline designed to get business in at twice that rate?
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Post by dualinvestor on Oct 18, 2016 14:30:04 GMT
Small organisations who lend money (and small builders who want to borrow it) are always at risk of a key person or two falling under a bus. Loans related to football clubs might experience a loss of 'confidence' if just one key person somehow departed. What contingency plans are in place for SS? Or for MT for that matter? FC and Z certainly have plans and are large enough that loss of one or two key people would not matter so much. If any small platform begins to have a feel of no-confidence about it, it is last one out turn off the lights? All P2P have contingency plans and as far as possible segregate client (lenders) assets, how robust they are and if they have been tested and/or approved by the FCA will hopefully remain a moot point
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Post by savingstream on Oct 18, 2016 16:10:12 GMT
We are very happy thank you and are looking forward to continued and sustainable growth for the long term. Our staff are bedding in well into the offices (we have been here a year and bought it with cash so we don't have rent to pay). We are very lean and don't need deals to fund the business so your comments about panic etc seem to be somewhat misplaced.
The market is very competitive and we want to offer a whole market product rather than just limit ourselves to certain niche segments. We see it as a maturing process and is a natural progression for a 4 year old company in this fast paced market. Given the reaction which we are seeing on pre-funding behind the scenes, there are plenty of investors who will continue to trust and support us and appreciate what we are doing.
As you can see from our recently audited accounts (we didn't need to audit, we just thought you would all appreciate it), we are very financially viable even accounting for loan provisioning. This year has been at least twice as successful as last and our cash reserves are very reassuring.
Yes there are things we could do to improve, we actively seek opinion on that and number one on our priority list is customer support. We now have a dedicated support department so investors should see a gradual improvement in that arena in the short term.
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Post by blata on Oct 18, 2016 17:23:40 GMT
We are all here for one thing and one thing only, a decent return on our hard earned cash.
There are to many doom merchants , not a big enough return, not the right loan, Saving Stream have a bigger office.
If you are not happy please walk away and invest elsewhere as some of us are willing to take a risk.
Over the last year I have had in excess of 4 figures on my investment here.
Amount of money lost none.
Please Please find some good things to say.
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Post by ped on Oct 18, 2016 17:24:19 GMT
We are very happy thank you and are looking forward to continued and sustainable growth for the long term. Our staff are bedding in well into the offices (we have been here a year and bought it with cash so we don't have rent to pay). We are very lean and don't need deals to fund the business so your comments about panic etc seem to be somewhat misplaced. The market is very competitive and we want to offer a whole market product rather than just limit ourselves to certain niche segments. We see it as a maturing process and is a natural progression for a 4 year old company in this fast paced market. Given the reaction which we are seeing on pre-funding behind the scenes, there are plenty of investors who will continue to trust and support us and appreciate what we are doing. As you can see from our recently audited accounts (we didn't need to audit, we just thought you would all appreciate it), we are very financially viable even accounting for loan provisioning. This year has been at least twice as successful as last and our cash reserves are very reassuring. Yes there are things we could do to improve, we actively seek opinion on that and number one on our priority list is customer support. We now have a dedicated support department so investors should see a gradual improvement in that arena in the short term. Thank you savingstream always good to hear from you, business looks to be growing nicely. Keep up the good work. Any chance of more weekly updates on all the loans?
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Post by savingstream on Oct 18, 2016 17:44:46 GMT
Thanks Ped. We also recognise that we need to provide more regular updates...
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Post by littleoldlady on Oct 18, 2016 17:58:00 GMT
IMO the best thing that SS could do to restore confidence in those that have lost some is to sort out overdue loans. Looking at a long list of negative days does not give a good impression. If the borrower has paid interest for an extension change the end date and put days positive. If he has not, but SS have decided that it is in the best interest of all, including lenders, to give him more time then give the reasons. If he has defaulted and administrators have been appointed move his loan into the defaulted tab. These are all things that SS could easily do. Even better, but much harder, get more loans paid on time.
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Post by dualinvestor on Oct 18, 2016 18:26:36 GMT
We are all here for one thing and one thing only, a decent return on our hard earned cash. There are to many doom merchants , not a big enough return, not the right loan, Saving Stream have a bigger office. If you are not happy please walk away and invest elsewhere as some of us are willing to take a risk. Over the last year I have had in excess of 4 figures on my investment here. Amount of money lost none. Please Please find some good things to say. Why? If there are good things to say, say them, equally if there are bad things to say are they prohibited?
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Post by nush on Oct 18, 2016 19:43:26 GMT
Now that SS is having to chase loans - and in the longer term investors - much harder, I am wondering whether they regret expanding to bigger offices and taking on lots of extra staff. Are they at risk of going under? And is this why nush just sold his whole £110K portfolio? (p.s. I already tried to create this thread, but it didn't seem to work....sorry if I ended up creating it twice.) wow did i do that, now i need a lay down. i can dream of having a £110k portfolio in P2P. or do we have a different nush
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Post by supernumerary on Oct 18, 2016 19:50:37 GMT
Now that SS is having to chase loans - and in the longer term investors - much harder, I am wondering whether they regret expanding to bigger offices and taking on lots of extra staff. Are they at risk of going under? And is this why nush just sold his whole £110K portfolio? (p.s. I already tried to create this thread, but it didn't seem to work....sorry if I ended up creating it twice.) I don't know who nush is, I haven't seen any posts from nush either. If nush has sold his entire £110K Saving Stream Portfolio, then it shows there is good liquidity on the platform and that investors and lenders can exit quickly if they want to. The last four days, have seen FIVE loan segments issued via the pipeline loan route and all of them at are 12%. The rates have still held at 12%, which IMHO, was pleasing for all investors concerned. So in answer to your question, is Saving Stream over stretching itself? IMHO, it is growing in an ordered manner. Hopefully there might be more loans with a term of 455 days...
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