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Post by invest on Oct 19, 2016 5:44:36 GMT
Was interested to know if you are adopting any strategies to protect yourself from, the collapsing pound? I have withdrew about 75% of my Saving Stream investments a few weeks ago, however now I am wondering if this is enough.
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Post by JamesFrance on Oct 19, 2016 6:46:31 GMT
Well it's already dropped and I continue as before as I don't see it will make much difference.
I looked at your review of Bondora which claims 80% recovery for defaulted loans after 2 years. This is completely wrong and misleading.
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Post by invest on Oct 20, 2016 15:36:48 GMT
Thanks for spotting This is my source: www.bondora.com/blog/performance-recovery-process-bondora-october-2016/KEY TAKEAWAYS After the significant increase of the recovery rates in September, Estonia’s principal recovery declined slightly from 71% to 67% in Q2 of 2016. Slovakia’s principal recovery improved drastically from only 23% up to 548% in second quarter of 2016 due to increased recoveries in June. Finland’s principal recovery for Q2 was down slightly from 102% to 83% in Q2. Spain saw an improvement in recoveries from 79% up to 133% for the month, averaging around 80% across two quarters of 2016.
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Post by tybalt on Oct 20, 2016 15:57:08 GMT
I suggest reading the Bondura forum and seeing how the experience there correlates with the straight from the horses mouth figures on the web site.
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Post by invest on Oct 20, 2016 18:01:20 GMT
Understood, I will weave this in the review.
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Post by hazellend on Oct 20, 2016 18:32:32 GMT
Was interested to know if you are adopting any strategies to protect yourself from, the collapsing pound? I have withdrew about 75% of my Saving Stream investments a few weeks ago, however now I am wondering if this is enough. Err, so you took your money out of something producing 12% and put it into cash earning nothing. Great thinking! Also, 75% is kind of meaningless unless you give a ballpark figure of your invested assets. I.e 100s. 1,000s, 10,000s, 100,000s, 1000000s? Who says the pound is going to collapse? Are you saying that you know something the markets don't? Seems highly unlikely there is any news not priced in. Your short post is so naive I have avoided clicking on your link to read some novice review. Sounds like you don't have the risk tolerance required for P2P.
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Post by mrclondon on Oct 20, 2016 20:35:08 GMT
invest I assume you are based in Euroland and hence the devaluation of sterling denominated assets hurts. If this is the case then whilst I appreciate the hurt, investing in sterling assets from Euroland over recent years implies a lack of appreciation that sterling has been horrendously overvalued for many years, and a sharp correction was inevitable at some point. Even a simplistic study of trade defecits vs currency valuations would give you the clue that something was seriously amiss with sterling. Manufacturing industries (the sector in which I have spent my career) have struggled in the UK primarily due to the strength of sterling - it weakens both export opprtunities (prices are uncompetitive), and domestic consumption (why bother to make xyz in the UK when you can buy it in from abroad as cost effectively). Sterling is likely to be volatile for the next 4 years (say) until the trade deals post actually leaving the EU are finalised, and the true affect on the financial services sector is understood. As a country we import far too much of everything, but sometimes are unable due to EU quotas on specific items to import the most cost effective supply. So whilst (for example) Irish beef may become uncompetitively priced in UK shops, we are unable (for now) to import (for example) an equivalent quantity of Argentinian beef at a more realistic price. It is therefore going to take some time after brexit for a new stable level for the balance of trade defecit to become apparent, and until then sterling is likely to react to every bit of news and rumour in the brexit negotiations, good and bad. My personal view is the city types don't have a good understanding of manufacturing / trade of goods (as opposed to trade of services) and are going to overshoot with their pessimism for the UK economy post brexit as the inevitable loss of some trade of services is confirmed. That, plus the fact that too many people still do not believe brexit is actually going to happen in any meaningful way, means that unlike hazellend I believe sterling will fall quite a bit further over the next 18 months, and then recover to somewhere around current levels within a couple of years thereafter. The root cause of sterlings overvaluation for much of the last 20 to 30 years has come about due to the overwhelming success of the financial services deregulation and technology changes that occured in the mid/late 1980's. It is rather ironic that its been success of the City of London that has prevented sterling from finding a level that better reflects the needs of those engaged in manufacturing / trade of goods. The great hope is out of the inevitible turmoil of the next few years will come a more balanced UK economy.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 20, 2016 20:50:11 GMT
Frankly, I'm a bit worried about anybody playing in currency who didn't think that the last few months would be - at the VERY best - highly likely to do exactly this... How very interesting. I think you're suggesting that the (financial) service industries will contract and manufacturing will expand. FS is certain to contract, as EU work that was done in London moves to stay in the EU.
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Post by Neil_P2PBlog on Oct 20, 2016 20:56:21 GMT
Back in June when the banks were predicting $1.20-$1.25 GBP/USD by the end of the year I didn't believe it... but looks like they were right!
For Euro based investors, property crowdfunding could be interesting. You can now buy more of the same asset for the same price, and as inflation begins to rise perhaps their prices will too.
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Post by mrclondon on Oct 20, 2016 21:16:10 GMT
How very interesting. I think you're suggesting that the (financial) service industries will contract and manufacturing will expand. Thats certainly my hope, but to clarify, the days of manufacturing employing vast numbers of people have gone for ever. It should at the very least halt the ongoing decline in manufacturing output (inflation adjusted contribution to GDP) Virtually every week since June, there has been announcements of new investments into UK manufacturing capacity. However not reported in some media (e.g. Guardian) as it doesn't fit their narrative of brexit being a disaster for the UK economy. This weeks's announcement from Thales for a new investment into their Belfast factory is significant given the NI problems - its not a huge investment, but that will create many times the investment value in GDP and export value contributions www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-37687952
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Post by adrianc on Oct 20, 2016 21:21:06 GMT
This weeks's announcement from Thales for a new investment into their Belfast factory is significant given the NI problems - its not a huge investment, but that will create many times the investment value in GDP and export value contributions www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-37687952Woo. £6m into a plant that employs 20 people currently. Meanwhile, over at Nissan Sunderland...
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Post by mrclondon on Oct 20, 2016 21:38:50 GMT
This weeks's announcement from Thales for a new investment into their Belfast factory is significant given the NI problems - its not a huge investment, but that will create many times the investment value in GDP and export value contributions www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-37687952Woo. £6m into a plant that employs 20 people currently. Meanwhile, over at Nissan Sunderland... Which is why I started my post with the comment about manufacturing no longer employing vast numbers of people anymore. To be fair that article does say "Thales looked at sites across Europe before deciding to set up the facility in Belfast. It's part of its expansion in the space technology sector in the UK from just 10 staff in 2014 to a projected 350 by 2018."That Nissan factory whilst the most productive car factory in British history (cars/ employee) is still overmanned. And what I've read their plans for the next refit of the factory are still no where near sufficeintly ambitious at removing people from the manufacturing process. Working age populations across all developed and indeed many developing countries are dropping fast ... those companies that have the foresight to invest in research to reduce the need for human involvement will be the long term winners. (And yes, my specialism has been manufacturing systems, automation, and operations management.) Or put another way, if you really have to employ that number of people to build cars, there are better countries than the UK in which to do it (e.g. Algeria where my Citroen was assembled - from a kit of bits manufactured in France predominately)
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Post by adrianc on Oct 20, 2016 21:45:40 GMT
Woo. £6m into a plant that employs 20 people currently. Meanwhile, over at Nissan Sunderland... Which is why I started my post with the comment about manufacturing no longer employing vast numbers of people anymore. 2.6m isn't to be sniffed at - 8% of total employment. 70% of R&D expenditure and 44% of exports. researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01942/SN01942.pdf
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Post by JamesFrance on Oct 21, 2016 7:55:22 GMT
Understood, I will weave this in the review. I would suggest you also remove the bit about Bondora being regulated by the UK Financial Conduct Authority as they withdrew their application.
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Post by Icarus Unleashed on Oct 21, 2016 16:46:10 GMT
To OP - I think your best strategy would be to continue investing in good quality sterling assets to try and maximise returns. That's the approach that I'm taking (disclosure: my earning currency is Middle Eastern and pegged to the dollar (for now at least!)). If you exchange out of sterling now you'll lock in the FX losses that you've experienced.
Agree that many people don't believe Brexit is actually going to happen yet. I think that if / when Article 50 is triggered in March 2017 sterling will go lower.
In the run-up to the referendum result I, like many, thought Brexit was possible but had hoped that the nation would just about manage to see sense and avoid what is rapidly becoming a psycho-drama. I have some sterling assets because it is my home currency I see it as a hedge against the inherent instability of the Middle East (80% of some devalued sterling assets is better than 100% of nothing if things kick-off over here and I have to grab my passport and run).
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