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Post by freddy on Nov 11, 2016 14:35:41 GMT
With the SM all but dried up (in comparison to a week ago) and very little in the pipeline, I'm wondering why things are so quiet on the SS front. I recall October and November being quite busy last year. Or am I mistaken? Given the move to offer loans at lower rates I'd have expected there to be a few more in the pipeline.
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Post by twoheads on Nov 11, 2016 14:47:05 GMT
Calm as a mill pond (see PBL133, although this one hasn't dried up). Some light relief after the recent fastest finger first furious feeding frenzy (fortnight?).
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Post by dodgeydave on Nov 11, 2016 15:02:12 GMT
The reduced rates for borrowers don't seem to be working
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Post by jcb208 on Nov 11, 2016 15:29:47 GMT
No new loans for 2 weeks and only 2 cr** ones in the pipe loan,Savingstream mention of more accurate updates has not materialized either, I am now investing else where at present
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Post by lolly88 on Nov 11, 2016 16:18:49 GMT
The quietness is making me a little uncomfortable and starting to make me paranoid that SS is in trouble. Enough to make me sell over half my loans and seriously consider selling the rest at the end of this month. I'm not a big hitter so it's not a huge amount and will be of little consequence to SS but I'm increasingly becoming concerned by what I see (or more accurately what I don't see) from this platform.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 16:42:14 GMT
Once again....
When any portal has lots loads of deals people complain
When any portal has no deals people complain
Chill guys, demand comes in floods and famines. Right now borrowers are trying to understand Brexit, what Boris is whittering about and who this crazy man in Washington is going to be. Sell if you must, but really the trick is to have 4 or 5 portals, some of whom will be up while others will be down. Spread your investments as widely as possible based on the best DD. Right now SS is quiet, FS has loads of loans, MT two this afternoon, AC some (but dead in the water), FC (no idea and don't care) etc etc. Two weeks ago it was very different.
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Post by fasty on Nov 11, 2016 16:55:29 GMT
I've seen huge lulls and storms on other providers over the years, so I'm not especially surprised or concerned.
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Post by lolly88 on Nov 11, 2016 17:43:30 GMT
Once again.... When any portal has lots loads of deals people complain When any portal has no deals people complain Chill guys, demand comes in floods and famines. Right now borrowers are trying to understand Brexit, what Boris is whittering about and who this crazy man in Washington is going to be. Sell if you must, but really the trick is to have 4 or 5 portals, some of whom will be up while others will be down. Spread your investments as widely as possible based on the best DD. Right now SS is quiet, FS has loads of loans, MT two this afternoon, AC some (but dead in the water), FC (no idea and don't care) etc etc. Two weeks ago it was very different. My concerns is not so much about the lack of new loans as I have enough in SS. It's quietness in terms of communication that continues to worry me . Do social and ecomonical issues really preclude SS from answering simple questions and keeping investors in the loop? Doesn't seem to be an issue on other platforms. Also the lower loan rates were explained to be a means of increasing the number of loans coming but this is the quietest I've known it to be, granted I've not been on SS for a whole year so there could be seasonal variations. To be fair to SS there have been some more updates on overdue loans recently but I do continually wonder why it takes so long to do this, it gives the impression wrongly or rightly that they are not monitoring these loans properly or have something to hide. Also no updates (as far as I know) on why that Birmingham pipeline loan has been there for so damn long and if it will ever go live, not that I want any of that but it would be nice to know what's going on. And I'm not going to chill on this issue. It has been cropping up a lot of late so I don't want to keep banging the same drum there are many things I like about this platform but I do think SS need to start taking communication with their investors more seriously. I choose to invest my money in SS so I have the right to question and wonder about what is going on. I invest in a range of other platforms also and the greater transparency from them further increases my unease on this platform. Good communication doesn't mitigate risk but it does increase investor confidence. And yes of course I know I can just walk away from SS which is what I might just do.
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Post by toffeeboy on Nov 11, 2016 17:48:40 GMT
The quietness is making me a little uncomfortable and starting to make me paranoid that SS is in trouble. Enough to make me sell over half my loans and seriously consider selling the rest at the end of this month. I'm not a big hitter so it's not a huge amount and will be of little consequence to SS but I'm increasingly becoming concerned by what I see (or more accurately what I don't see) from this platform. Can you explain what makes you correlate SS not getting any new loans to them actually being in trouble. That is a very big leap and a big statement to be making.
Why would you consider selling your loans? Are they not making you the money that you expected to make from them? have you lost any money through SS? I never understand some of the reason that investors get jumpy about, as has been said before October, November and December are well know for a drop in all types of loan.
When SS has several loans in default then I would maybe understand people being jumpy but a lack of new loans just means they aren't getting any new business for themselves but from what I understand their model isn;t like others that earns money on the generation of the loan, they earn interest on a loan the same way that we do so as long as they have loans in play that are paying us all interest then I don't see a problem.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 11, 2016 17:58:37 GMT
The quietness is making me a little uncomfortable and starting to make me paranoid that SS is in trouble. Enough to make me sell over half my loans and seriously consider selling the rest at the end of this month. I'm not a big hitter so it's not a huge amount and will be of little consequence to SS but I'm increasingly becoming concerned by what I see (or more accurately what I don't see) from this platform. SS said in the run-up to the reduced-rate loans that they were having difficulties finding good enough borrowers willing to pay a high enough rate that they could pay us 12% on 70% max LTV. They launched a few 9% and 10% loans. We reacted with massive indifference. So...? We don't want lower security. We don't want lower rates. We don't want higher risks. They can't make those low-risk, high-rate, good-security borrowers just appear from nowhere. So the cupboard is a bit bare.
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Post by am on Nov 11, 2016 18:07:57 GMT
There's a loan on MT which recently had a additional advance to enable work to commence prior to the borrower acquiring development finance elsewhere. I suspect that elsewhere is SS, in that the borrower is already a repeat SS borrower.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Nov 11, 2016 18:16:58 GMT
It does go very quiet when certain borrowers are supposed to be organising imminent repayment of their loans. Bottom slapper time soon. Very quiet. No comment at all, and we're only on a second charge.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 11, 2016 19:50:10 GMT
.... FC (no idea and don't care) etc etc. Two weeks ago it was very different. You cared what FC had 2 weeks ago ?
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Post by lolly88 on Nov 11, 2016 23:22:36 GMT
The quietness is making me a little uncomfortable and starting to make me paranoid that SS is in trouble. Enough to make me sell over half my loans and seriously consider selling the rest at the end of this month. I'm not a big hitter so it's not a huge amount and will be of little consequence to SS but I'm increasingly becoming concerned by what I see (or more accurately what I don't see) from this platform. Can you explain what makes you correlate SS not getting any new loans to them actually being in trouble. That is a very big leap and a big statement to be making.
Why would you consider selling your loans? Are they not making you the money that you expected to make from them? have you lost any money through SS? I never understand some of the reason that investors get jumpy about, as has been said before October, November and December are well know for a drop in all types of loan.
When SS has several loans in default then I would maybe understand people being jumpy but a lack of new loans just means they aren't getting any new business for themselves but from what I understand their model isn;t like others that earns money on the generation of the loan, they earn interest on a loan the same way that we do so as long as they have loans in play that are paying us all interest then I don't see a problem.
As i explained further in my other post I was referring to quietness in terms of communication more than in terms of new loans. I don't have anymore free money to invest in anything else at present. There is lots of speculation on this forum about various things going on with SS which never gets nipped in the bud by a quick and easy response from someone from SS causing doubts to start to creep in. As someone mentioned on another thread we shouldn't have to speculate about certain things we should just be updated on them. Yes I'm making money from my loans but I'm losing confidence in the platform, that's why I would consider selling my loans. Not in some childish attempt to throw my toys out the pram but rather there are lots of other loans on other platforms to invest in where I feel more secure at present. There's loans in the pipeline but how long will they be there for? Will they ever go live? This information is communicated on other platforms I use which makes it easier to plan investments but not here. I'm not going to wait to the stage where SS have several defaults. The long default on the garden centre, the long list of overdue loans without a clear resoultion in sight, combined with poor communication overall is what is making me jumpy. I don't think that makes me irrational As I said already there are some good things about SS which is why i still have some investments. But since broaching out to other platforms and seeing them handle things better and consequently feeling more secure about my money there makes me feel less secure with my money here. All of my loans are well over 200 days but it's got to the stage now where I plan to sell my loans when they dip below 200 rather 100 days as an extra precautionary measure and ensuring that out of all my P2P exposure SS is where i have the least invested or withdraw entirely depending on how things continue to go.
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Post by invest on Nov 12, 2016 7:03:13 GMT
Diversify your p2p loan providers as you would with stocks. SS is only one in a whole universe in P2P loans. - Consider the following
- Currency
- Geography
- Property Type
- LTV
- Property Income
- Rural vs Central
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