averageguy
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Post by averageguy on Nov 16, 2016 21:13:08 GMT
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mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Nov 16, 2016 23:48:55 GMT
They could easily have sent an e-mail: 'DFL007 will be extended with £75k (ish) dropped on to the SM 16 th November.' They could have given the time also. That's a recipe for a website crash, as zillions of SS investors go to the website and refresh repeatedly while waiting for the parts to appear.
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twoheads
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Post by twoheads on Nov 16, 2016 23:56:23 GMT
That's a recipe for a website crash, as zillions of SS investors go to the website and refresh repeatedly while waiting for the parts to appear. I've mentioned this problem and had a reply from 0risk which implies that this risk is reduced, maybe not to '0'. See this thread post: SS browser extension.
P.S. I don't know how to create a link to a specific post, but the page is correct. Thanks pepperpot for explaining how to link to a post.
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Post by pepperpot on Nov 17, 2016 0:30:26 GMT
That's a recipe for a website crash, as zillions of SS investors go to the website and refresh repeatedly while waiting for the parts to appear. I've mentioned this problem and had a reply from 0risk which implies that this risk is reduced, maybe not to '0'. See this thread: SS browser extension.
P.S. I don't know how to create a link to a specific post, but the page is correct.
Unless something radical has changed (I don't think so) the last few times a loan went live before the pre-funding model was introduced (over a year ago), the site crashed under the strain of everyone refreshing the page at an indicated time. There are a lot more investors now so I agree with mike that it would be something to be avoided. P.S. go to the post you want to link to, click the cog next to the thumbs up button and 'Link to Post'. You then have the option of linking to just that post, or pointing to the post within the thread it's in. You then use the address it gives you to add into your post such as; www.p2pindependentforum.com/post/153045/thread
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Post by dan83 on Nov 17, 2016 13:51:37 GMT
This is ideal for the people using bots to buy up loan parts. The way it was before made it a level playing field. I've seen posts on here of people post instructions of how to do stuff with the bots (far to cleaver for me) so we could all operate one if we wanted, but being a small investor a bot wouldn't be much use to me.
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Post by ablender on Nov 17, 2016 15:08:49 GMT
They could easily have sent an e-mail: 'DFL007 will be extended with £75k (ish) dropped on to the SM 16 th November.' They could have given the time also. That's a recipe for a website crash, as zillions of SS investors go to the website and refresh repeatedly while waiting for the parts to appear. MT and FS (when there was a high demand) did not crash. I do not see why SS should.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 17, 2016 15:09:54 GMT
I've seen posts on here of people post instructions of how to do stuff with the bots ... No, not bots. Simply filters to show only what you want to see on the Available page, not the guff, to make it easier to spot and buy manually. A bot would actively buy the stuff for you.
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ramblin rose
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Post by ramblin rose on Nov 17, 2016 15:41:25 GMT
Not really sure this is going to make much difference to any investors other than those who only ever allocate £20 to £50 per loan. Those are roughly the sorts of amounts you're likely to have got allocated on a loan tranche under £100K and for a great many investors that's more of an annoyance than anything. So, those smaller investors probably won't get any of those few small loan tranches; it really hardly matters in the long run, and there is no necessity to be involved in every loan you might like the look of. Of course if the only loans released going forward turned out to be such tiny loan tranches it would become a problem, but that seems highly unlikely.
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twoheads
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Post by twoheads on Nov 17, 2016 16:11:04 GMT
This is ideal for the people using bots to buy up loan parts. The captchas are there to stop bots from buying up loan parts. They are designed to be very difficult for machines (and, in some cases, me) to solve. Therefore a bot cannot, in general, buy a loan part for you.
A couple of weeks back I asked the 'what constitutes a bot?' question and received an answer I was happy with: see this post by Whitbourne.
adrianc is correct that most of what is being done is filtering and highlighting the information in which a particular investor is interested while hiding the chaff.
The only proactive step is that the filter can alert you with some sort of fanfare and automatically open the page on which you can buy the loan. I guess it could fill in the amount for you but you would have to be at your computer and ready to solve the captcha yourself in order to complete the purchase.
This is roughly what the script from 0risk is doing. (I don't use it because it doesn't work with my browser, so I may not be completely accurate).
These scripts could save the NHS millions by preventing a 'refresh finger RSI' epidemic in the P2P community.
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Post by hantsowl on Nov 17, 2016 16:33:39 GMT
That's a recipe for a website crash, as zillions of SS investors go to the website and refresh repeatedly while waiting for the parts to appear. MT and FS (when there was a high demand) did not crash. I do not see why SS should. SS had a problem when real-time updates were available and eventually had to disable it due to system grinding to a halt. Maybe this was exacerbated at periods of high demand and they may now be able to cope with it (as MT and FS can). Failing that, why not simply cap the maximum any individual can buy to (say) 1% of the extra being released. That way at least the loan would be spread around more instead of one or two greedy ******* grabbing it all.
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Post by sl75 on Nov 17, 2016 17:22:16 GMT
In many ways, it would perhaps be better if ALL additional tranches were released that way. It interacts very badly with the brain-dead automatic prefunding facility.
There are undoubtedly many "unwanted" allocations from those who are using the automatic pre-funding and don't realise there was an additional tranche of a loan they're already holding that must be manually cancelled... this results in duplicate exposure, thereby reducing the allocation for everyone else who actually wanted more of the loan.
Personally, I'd also prefer (e.g.) a 10% chance of being able to grab my desired £500 chunk of a loan rather than a 100% chance of being allocated maybe £50 or less per tranche... I'd eventually get (a significant proportion of) my desired holding either way, but releasing additional availability to the aftermarket means I've got a better chance of having it in a single chunk, rather than a fistful of shrapnel.
For SS themselves, holdings consisting of many fragments of shrapnel are presumably undesirable too, as a £20,000 loan part and a £20 loan part (or even a £0.02 one) would take the same amount of space in their database and the same amount of processing power for their systems to handle... which will both become increasingly significant as their systems scale (e.g. making the monthly interest allocation run take longer and/or use more processing resources).
Even though I missed this specific opportunity (so still have significantly below my desired allocation of DFL007, and the amount I do have as small chunks), it still increases the chance of getting my desired allocation as a single large allocation, as now there are some larger chunks "in circulation" - some of which may have simply been buying liquidity (with the intention of selling down as and when they need to release funds for new loans).
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Post by adrianc on Nov 17, 2016 17:52:05 GMT
For SS themselves, holdings consisting of many fragments of shrapnel are presumably undesirable too, as a £20,000 loan part and a £20 loan part (or even a £0.02 one) would take the same amount of space in their database and the same amount of processing power for their systems to handle... which will both become increasingly significant as their systems scale (e.g. making the monthly interest allocation run take longer and/or use more processing resources). Easily resolved. Everything in your holding counts as a single loan part, once 7 days has passed from purchase. Simple overnight batch process required to agglomerate them. Job jobbed.
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Post by 0risk on Nov 17, 2016 18:06:58 GMT
This is ideal for the people using bots to buy up loan parts. The captchas are there to stop bots from buying up loan parts. They are designed to be very difficult for machines (and, in some cases, me) to solve. Therefore a bot cannot, in general, buy a loan part for you.
A couple of weeks back I asked the 'what constitutes a bot?' question and received an answer I was happy with: see this post by Whitbourne .
adrianc is correct that most of what is being done is filtering and highlighting the information in which a particular investor is interested while hiding the chaff.
The only proactive step is that the filter can alert you with some sort of fanfare and automatically open the page on which you can buy the loan. I guess it could fill in the amount for you but you would have to be at your computer and ready to solve the captcha yourself in order to complete the purchase.
This is roughly what the script from 0risk is doing. (I don't use it because it doesn't work with my browser, so I may not be completely accurate).
These scripts could save the NHS millions by preventing a 'refresh finger RSI' epidemic in the P2P community.
I'm pretty sure there are bots buying. FFF is second class buying.
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Post by littleoldlady on Nov 17, 2016 18:37:35 GMT
...Scots sometimes need a wee bit of assistance with English translation... If it's any consolation this Englishman was confused by the very same sentence. I got it on the 3rd reading. Part of the problem is that we all insist on calling it the SM, when in fact it is a mixture of SM and SS. MT address this by highlighting in a different colour, but on SS there would be the problem that loans can be mixture of both so the loan amount would have to be split to show the difference which would be messy.
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Post by littleoldlady on Nov 17, 2016 18:42:00 GMT
The captchas are there to stop bots from buying up loan parts. They are designed to be very difficult for machines (and, in some cases, me) to solve. Therefore a bot cannot, in general, buy a loan part for you.
A couple of weeks back I asked the 'what constitutes a bot?' question and received an answer I was happy with: see this post by Whitbourne .
adrianc is correct that most of what is being done is filtering and highlighting the information in which a particular investor is interested while hiding the chaff.
The only proactive step is that the filter can alert you with some sort of fanfare and automatically open the page on which you can buy the loan. I guess it could fill in the amount for you but you would have to be at your computer and ready to solve the captcha yourself in order to complete the purchase.
This is roughly what the script from 0risk is doing. (I don't use it because it doesn't work with my browser, so I may not be completely accurate).
These scripts could save the NHS millions by preventing a 'refresh finger RSI' epidemic in the P2P community.
I'm pretty sure there are bots buying. FFF is second class buying. Just google "automatic captcha solver" or similar.
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