shuff27
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Post by shuff27 on Nov 23, 2016 9:55:37 GMT
I just received notification from my bank (firstdirect) that my cash ISA interest rate will be reduced from 0.9% to 0.5% in February. Now wondering whether cash ISAs are still worth holding - any thoughts?
I currently have about £50k in P2P lending spread over 6 platforms & about £30k in the cash ISAs. Planning to take early retirement next year at which stage I should be able to organise mine & spouse's finances so that we don't have to pay any income tax, so I'm tempted to use the cash ISA funds to increase my P2P lending so I can draw some income while waiting for pensions.
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Post by SteveT on Nov 23, 2016 10:00:56 GMT
I've moved much of my old cash ISA funds into the Funding Circle investment trust (stock ticker FCIF) so it remains within an ISA wrapper but should yield 7-8%
[In parallel, I've given up bothering with direct FC lending as it's no longer worth the effort]
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Post by greatmarko on Nov 23, 2016 10:04:37 GMT
Whilst cash ISA rates with banks are very poor (I'm also only getting 0.5%), they do of course have the added protection of the FSCS (assuming you have under £75K in any one institution), whereas P2P lending doesn't and is therefore more risky.
So you have to weigh up the value of FSCS protection vs. the unprotected, but likely higher expected returns from P2P.
However, if interest rates for cash ISAs continue to fall though, I can see more and more people pulling their money out of cash ISAs and sticking it in P2P, and I think we'll certainly see a lot more of that once more providers begin offering IF ISAs (currently, I think there's only 3 providers offering IF ISAs)
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Post by shuff27 on Nov 23, 2016 10:08:25 GMT
Thanks Steve I'll take a look at that. I already have an IG share dealing account (got a few k in Vanguard ETFs) so could set up a S&S ISA there.
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Post by mikeh on Nov 23, 2016 10:13:54 GMT
Another option would be to transfer your cash ISAs to a flexible cash ISA (if they're not already) and withdraw the money to invest in P2P. You then have the option to replace it in the flexible ISA before the end of the tax year if things change.
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Post by shuff27 on Nov 23, 2016 10:14:30 GMT
I am of course aware of the P2P risks but hopefully can reduce them somewhat as I have the time & inclination procatively to manage my P2P investments.
Like many of us here I'm impatiently awaiting P2P ISAs from my favoured platforms!
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Post by SteveT on Nov 23, 2016 10:16:59 GMT
If you do, check the dealing price against NAV (roughly 101p currently) and aim to buy when the price is lower. I've used a series of limit orders to accumulate at approx 4% average below NAV.
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Post by greatmarko on Nov 23, 2016 11:28:01 GMT
Which are the current 3 or is there a list anywhere that lists current providers? - Abundance
- Crowd2Fund
- Crowdstacker
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Post by james on Nov 23, 2016 11:44:32 GMT
Planning to take early retirement next year... so I can draw some income while waiting for pensions. Do remember to continue making pension contributions. Assuming someone is 55 or older and earning within their personal allowance there's £720 a year of tax relief money to be made from paying in the maximum for those with no qualifying income of 3600 gross, 2880 net. Still profitable if in basic rate income tax, just less so. If you aren't yet 55 but are quite close it might be best to use your savings to maximise pension contributions now with a view to withdrawing later. There's still time to transfer to a flexible ISA, withdraw and invest into P2P for a while then sell the P2P and pay into a pension this tax year. The increased ISA annual allowance has reduced the penalty of taking money out of the ISA since it's often not going to take too long to get back to the original level. Easy for that to end up favouring pension over ISA use when close to 55, depending on just how big the amounts are.
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Post by littonowl on Nov 23, 2016 11:45:17 GMT
If you do, check the dealing price against NAV (roughly 101p currently) and aim to buy when the price is lower. I've used a series of limit orders to accumulate at approx 4% average below NAV. Yeah, there are a few P2P listed companies that can be held in S&S ISA's worth checking out. P2PG and VSL are trading at discounts to NAV, but struggling due to hedging policies that have gone against them since Sterling's fall after Brexit, but Honeycomb IT (LSE:HONY) is a less well known IT doing better, trading around NAV and paying out c.7-8% in dividends. Also worth considering is Ranger Direct Lending (LSE:RDL) which does most of its business in the US, so has benefitted from Sterling's slide, is on course to pay c.9% dividends and is also trading at a discount to NAV of c.8% at present. Of the IFISA's available, I recently transferred proceeds from a 5 year cash ISA into Abundance, which offers debentures and bonds in renewable energy projects/companies and which I expect to receive LT returns on the slightly lower side of c.6-8% pa.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Nov 23, 2016 18:59:48 GMT
For another slant on the original Q .. there are lots of non-ISA accounts which pay rather better than any ISA account you can find, so depending on your tax position you might well be better off putting 'instant access cash' in a non-ISA account, and use the ISA (if you still have money to invest) for S&S or P2P.
As for 'still worth holding' .. well yes, I have some ancient fixed rate cash ISAs which are definitely still worth holding. 8>. Worth opening a new one at <1%?? .. nope, definitely not.
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Post by am on Nov 23, 2016 21:26:21 GMT
Which are the current 3 or is there a list anywhere that lists current providers? - Abundance
- Crowd2Fund
- Crowdstacker
I found BrickLane (property equity crowdfunding) advertising a "property ISA" on Zoopla earlier today.
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Post by am on Nov 23, 2016 21:28:47 GMT
I moved most of my cash ISAs over to S&S ISAs a few years back.
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Post by mikeh on Nov 23, 2016 21:51:29 GMT
- Abundance
- Crowd2Fund
- Crowdstacker
I found BrickLane (property equity crowdfunding) advertising a "property ISA" on Zoopla earlier today. This is not an IFISA. It is " a property fund that invests in residential property, which can be included in a Stocks and Shares ISA"
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Post by littleoldlady on Nov 23, 2016 22:36:56 GMT
The main point of a cash ISA at present, IMO, is to increase the total holding in the tax free wrapper (assuming this is something that you want to do), not the derisory amount of increase you will get. In time when interest rates rise you will have a larger sum sheltered from tax. Personally I shall move into IFISAs as soon as they are available on a suitable platform.
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