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Post by brannick on Nov 28, 2016 11:01:33 GMT
Hi all, I'm new into P2P investments but just having coming into a bit of money (£20k in total) decided I didn't want to leave it all in ISA accounts earning not very much so P2P grabbed my interest and seemed to offer the opportunity to gain a much better return...I know its more risky!! I deposited £5 with The bridgecrowd.com on a 2nd charge property with a LTV of 61% return of 1% per month. I did read reviews of the company beforehand and all seemed OK. Now the transactions gone through I'm having a bit of a 'gulp' moment - so just want a few opinions on if this would be a good first time investment? I know it's a large amount, but whilst I have it I want try and make a return that's at least worth having...£50 a month not life changing but better that what I'd get in a traditional saving account by far.... and the risk makes it a bit more interesting. I have another £10k to invest elsewhere - what would the advise be into how to spread it and what companies to go with. Any advise much appreciated...and dont be too harsh....I'm learning
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Post by hendragon on Nov 28, 2016 11:14:01 GMT
welcome to the happy world that is p2p lending. We all have to make our own choices. However my view is that no more than 2% of capital in p2p should be invested in a single loan. You might try to diversify with different platforms, and different loans within platforms. Should you be interested I have personal preferences for Moneything,Collateral and emoney Union. I am neutral on Funding Secure and Funding Empire, and slowly reducing Assetz Capital, Ratesetter and Zopa. Saving Stream has been a very active lender ( I am not in). My own preference would be to avoid rebuilding society and Funding Circle. The Money Platform is a new platform and interesteing but too early to form a judgement. Don't be in too much of a hurry to lend. Hope this helps...........other lenders/investors may have very different opinions to my view.
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Post by rick24 on Nov 28, 2016 11:19:49 GMT
I would want to break it down into smaller chunks as the previous poster said. Diversify across platforms as well. I quite like BondMason as it requires almost no time and effort. One concern for me is whether platforms are financially viable in the longer term. LendInvest makes a profit (and is therefore more likely to survive), and is very simple to use...but the returns are much less than Bridgecrowd if I am not mistaken.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Nov 28, 2016 11:35:53 GMT
A fairly bold step, but I quite like Bridgecrowd, they seem pretty solid. I agree BondMason might be a good idea because they invest across platforms making it easy to diversify at an expected 7% after fees. If you want to protect you investment more you could go for Zopa or Ratesetters with provision funds, but much lower rates. I'm a bit cautious of many of the new platforms with little track record.
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Post by pom on Nov 28, 2016 11:46:39 GMT
Hi all, I'm new into P2P investments but just having coming into a bit of money (£20k in total) decided I didn't want to leave it all in ISA accounts earning not very much so P2P grabbed my interest and seemed to offer the opportunity to gain a much better return...I know its more risky!! I deposited £5 with The bridgecrowd.com on a 2nd charge property with a LTV of 61% return of 1% per month. I did read reviews of the company beforehand and all seemed OK. Now the transactions gone through I'm having a bit of a 'gulp' moment - so just want a few opinions on if this would be a good first time investment? I know it's a large amount, but whilst I have it I want try and make a return that's at least worth having...£50 a month not life changing but better that what I'd get in a traditional saving account by far.... and the risk makes it a bit more interesting. I have another £10k to invest elsewhere - what would the advise be into how to spread it and what companies to go with. Any advise much appreciated...and dont be too harsh....I'm learning If it helps I've had good experiences with Bridgecrowd over the past 18 months, whilst the nature of bridging loans means you probably won't get your money back exactly when you're expecting it they so far have a good track record so I wouldn't panic too much at this point....if you're really worried tho someone mentioned on their board recently that they do now have a clunky form of secondary market if you ask them to sell the part for you. (If however you invested it in the current big loan I think you'll have to wait til that fills). But as others have said with that size of total pot you probably want to diversify across some other sites with lower minimum bids. MoneyThing and ABLrate are currently my favourites for high rates (but if you're at all likely to have to worry about CGT do read the ABL tax faq). Collateral are small and relatively new but one of the few places you can still loan money on jewellery. Saving Stream are very popular, but make sure you pay close attention to discussion on their board if you do decide to go with them. Personally I'd avoid unsecured business loans like the plague... My advice would be don't rush into anything, accept it takes time to build a diversified portfolio, and if possible stick with platforms with very liquid secondary markets to begin with so you can easily change your mind! Edit - whilst remembering that future liquidity can never be predicted...
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Post by nick on Nov 28, 2016 11:56:22 GMT
I would look to first invest in the likes of SS, MT and FC where you can invest far smaller amounts across a number of loans to diversify your risk, but get similar returns. I've invested nearly seven figures over various P2P platforms but would still not contemplate a £5k in anyone loan issue unless there was a very liquid SM to quickly diversify down after any initial investment. No matter how much DD you do or how good a credit any loan looks, some of these will default and you need to protect yourself from a disproportionate loss on your portfolio from any one default.
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Post by easteregg on Nov 28, 2016 12:02:42 GMT
However my view is that no more than 2% of capital in p2p should be invested in a single loan. Very good advice there. The key to success here is diversification. Spread your money as thinly as possible, amongst as many borrowers as possible, and on as many P2P platforms as you feel comfortable with. If you are starting with P2P I would suggest trying the bigger and better known platforms first, as they tend to be lower risk and easier to get into, before diversifying into some of the newer platforms.
Check any cashback offers on new companies as you may get a bonus for signing up through one of the cashback sites (of which P2Pmoney.co.uk is one) or through referrals on here.
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Post by brannick on Nov 28, 2016 12:16:51 GMT
Thanks very much for all the advice - I will digest and look into the recommendations........I will look to invest smaller amounts across multiple companies, that seems to be the key advice throughout, thanks everyone
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Post by registerme on Nov 28, 2016 13:13:49 GMT
There's a lot of good advice to be had on this forum, both in general about investing, more specifically about P2P investing, and commentary and opinion as regards different platforms and the loans they offer.
You could do much, much worse than spend an hour or two reading through some historical threads on here (though normal provisos about not being investment advice and caveat emptor apply).
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Post by charpy on Nov 28, 2016 16:24:03 GMT
As well as this forum, I also found the reviews of the different P2P lending platforms on the following blog informative from the perspective of someone starting out with P2P - p2pblog.co.uk/ (Probably other blogs out there too.) Each platform has it's own way of doing things to some extent so it's worth reading up on them as much as possible to get some tips and understanding etc.
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Post by wengyeeRelendex on Nov 29, 2016 12:03:13 GMT
Welcome to the P2P world brannick, this is probably one of the best places to start your journey. In terms of diversification, it could be a good idea to also look into platforms with a secondary market where you can pick up chunks (or smaller bites) of loans that you might have missed. Just wanted to introduce ourselves as we currently have a live loan auction (London Residential Investment) going on paying 8.75% and you can invest from as little as £500. If you need any help, feel free to give me a shout. trading.relendex.com/marketplace
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Post by james on Nov 29, 2016 13:50:41 GMT
I deposited £5 with The bridgecrowd.com on a 2nd charge property with a LTV of 61% return of 1% per month. I did read reviews of the company beforehand and all seemed OK. Now the transactions gone through I'm having a bit of a 'gulp' moment - so just want a few opinions on if this would be a good first time investment? No, that's not a good first time investment project. It's OK but second charges are higher risk than first and you have better alternatives available. At £5 given your total it's fine, though, just leave it invested. Personally my preferences are Ablrate and MoneyThing based on ethics, customer service and rates. I considered but rejected Saving Stream largely on ethics grounds. The AE* loans at MoneyThing are a good starter and are readily available on the secondary market. The multiple layers of protection combined with 1% interest rate make them interesting. Check the secondary market at odd times and particularly when there are new deals open to find availability at its best. The APF* loans at Ablrate also tend to be interesting with dual layers of protection. But those are normally available only at a premium, though new ones do come up from time to time. One of those seeking money at the moment is to pay 16% a year, split monthly. Second charge but with the APF protection on top. The ACI basket of secured loans there also taking money is also interesting in part because of the swap out of defaulted loans clause, similar to the AE* loans at MoneyThing. Diversify between borrowers and platforms. That's how you protect yourself from unfortunate events involving either borrowers or platforms.
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Post by james on Nov 29, 2016 13:58:32 GMT
we currently have a live loan auction (London Residential Investment) going on paying 8.75% and you can invest from as little as £500. Relendex, the individual is new to P2P, has £20k total to invest from a non-ongoing source (inheritance) and you have suggested to them that putting at least 2.5% in the product mentioned that requires non-trivial risk analysis is appropriate. Both the amount and their level of experience suggest that they are not a suitable customer for this loan. Do you really think that your financial promotion to this individual was appropriate? With reference to COBS 4.2.4 have you made the required disclosures in your post, using this medium which does provide you the space to do things like telling them that their capital is at risk, what the charges are and whether they have any FSCS protection? Did your post give a fair and balanced impression of the short and long term prospects for the investment that took into account the needs of an individual inexperienced in P2P and presumably also inexperienced in evaluating property lending deals? Setting aside the fact that the posts will almost always be financial promotions, posting like that in a newbie topic to promote a platform is unwise. It inevitably makes Relendex look bad when the newcomer is really seeking the thoughts on those more experienced with P2P. Unless specifically asked or mentioned and with a correction to make it would be better in almost all circumstances for platform reps to stay away, tempting though the topics can be. A good deal less care may be appropriate in sections dedicated to individual platforms or to more experienced investors but newbie topics are particularly unwise based on the inexperienced status of the potential investor. It's inviting a future complaint and possible platform liability for losses that no amount of terms and conditions can effectively disclaim.
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Post by james on Nov 29, 2016 15:12:27 GMT
Minimum invest is £5000 per loan, so I think there is a 'k' missing there. 25% of pot is quite bold to kick off with and would be better as a platform diversification level rather than at the loan level. I'd suggest a minimum of a 6 figure P2P pot before getting into thebridgecrowd. Thanks. At £5k it's far too much for one loan given £20k of total money to invest. A platform with £5k minimum per loan is unsuitable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 15:45:45 GMT
If it helps, I started small with around £20k, I put £5k into ratesetter while I got to understand that model, just using the one month rate, then I found this forum and read a lot of the comments. FC was my second P2P (which has changed its business model )and I'm working my way out of there. Roughly you want 1% in each deal so with 20k you want to look at £200 chunks of money.
I'd look at MT, FS and SS as my core with as much as possible not in property because property deals are everywhere so you want to focus elsewhere.
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