09dolphin
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Post by 09dolphin on Dec 4, 2016 21:58:18 GMT
What are investors views about continuing their investments in loans where the interest is 1 week + overdue.
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 5, 2016 3:04:10 GMT
What are investors views about continuing their investments in loans where the interest is 1 week + overdue. We don't really have a choice, do we? Those loans can't be offered for sale on the SM.
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Post by micky on Dec 5, 2016 9:05:34 GMT
As interest is not taken upfront FS cannot control how promptly repayment of the loan and its interest are made, if at all. This seems to be the risk we take for 12-15% plus the occasional cashback. I'm afraid it comes down each individuals decision to invest or not.
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Post by 09dolphin on Dec 5, 2016 14:14:43 GMT
So sorry. I've not made my question clear. What I was asking was about reinvesting when interest has been paid and borrowers are looking to renew the loan.
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Post by n on Dec 5, 2016 14:33:55 GMT
So sorry. I've not made my question clear. What I was asking was about reinvesting when interest has been paid and borrowers are looking to renew the loan.
If the loan is for less than 50K and it is not property I invariably let it auto-renew. Larger non-property loans (unless the restriction is less than my current investment) I turn off auto-renew and bid manually (so as to get double interest for a little while). With property I can't keep up with DD so always turn auto-renew off and manually bid the minimum. To address your OP my view is that non-property can almost always be recovered at auction so long as it is not something obscure (like domain names or grand pianos or parking spaces or carpets) so I am not particularly worried about late payers. With property, as previously said by others, the chances of things going according to plan are minimal, and as I only bid the minimum it doesn't worry me. With property loans, if I had more at stake then any borrower paying interest late would be added to my naughty list and I wouldn't renew. If it was possible to identify the borrowers for new loans then where one was on my list I wouldn't invest.
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 5, 2016 15:06:07 GMT
So sorry. I've not made my question clear. What I was asking was about reinvesting when interest has been paid and borrowers are looking to renew the loan. If a borrower is willing to pay the interest/fees to renew a loan, I take it as a sign that they want to keep the item and didn't start out intending for this to be a 'sale by pawn', so ISTM that's a positive thing. Others might not agree. A decision to allow your investment to rollover ought to be treated much the same as a new investment. If I feel that the security is sufficient, and could be liquidated for enough to cover all that is owed, I'm willing to renew. If not, I don't.
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 5, 2016 15:10:03 GMT
... I turn off auto-renew and bid manually (so as to get double interest for a little while). It may be double interest, but it's also double investment, so it's not the bonanza it might sound like at first glance. But it's only single exposure to the risk of default so it does have a small advantage.
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Post by n on Dec 5, 2016 15:35:40 GMT
... I turn off auto-renew and bid manually (so as to get double interest for a little while). It may be double interest, but it's also double investment, so it's not the bonanza it might sound like at first glance. But it's only single exposure to the risk of default so it does have a small advantage. Yes Mike, you are correct. Either the loan fills in which case the old investment comes back to me, or it doesn't in which case the new investment comes back to me. Either way half has been risk free (barring platform failure). But are the new features of underwriting going to put an end to it?
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 5, 2016 19:06:47 GMT
But are the new features of underwriting going to put an end to it? If FS become consistent with arranging underwriting very early in the renewal process, then yes, this opportunity will disappear. Whether or not they do that obviously depends or what proportion of 'old' investors choose to renew a loan. If the percentage is very high, then not a lot of underwriting would be required and they might be able to do it themselves rather than having to pay someone else to provide that service. If they expect a loan to be fully funded quickly, there's no point. It's only for loans with low renewal rates that they expect to take some time to fund that underwriting makes sense, as those are the loans where they end up paying out double interest and where they have a lot of money trying to exit the old loan. Underwriting those loans should make the exiting investors happy, and some of the funds released probably would end up being reinvested in other loans FS are trying to fund at the time.
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Post by peteuk on Dec 15, 2016 14:54:05 GMT
Fs need to take a tougher stance with late payers because it is becoming laughable at the moment when reading the updates some lenders will make up anything to put off paying back on the agreement they made if the non payers see that others are being defaulted and put into administration they might stop taking the Micky out of fs
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 15, 2016 17:53:17 GMT
... some lenders will make up anything to put off paying back on the agreement they made ... peteuk: You did mean borrowers, didn't you?
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Post by 09dolphin on Jan 13, 2017 12:05:15 GMT
I now have a new personal policy in relation to overdue loans. If FS haven't posted an update within a few days of a loan becoming due I cancel the renewal. If FS can't be bothered to keep investors up to date with what's happening why should I have confidence that it will not be similar to the Scottish Boatyard.
FS should keep investors up to date and they fail lamentably. I assume they don't care about investors.
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Post by SteveT on Jan 13, 2017 12:37:05 GMT
I now have a new personal policy in relation to overdue loans. If FS haven't posted an update within a few days of a loan becoming due I cancel the renewal. If FS can't be bothered to keep investors up to date with what's happening why should I have confidence that it will not be similar to the Scottish Boatyard.
FS should keep investors up to date and they fail lamentably. I assume they don't care about investors. Of course, that won't help you unless the loan actually gets to renewing. I never had the Scottish Boatyard ticked at any point, yet I'm still stuck with it 547 days later...
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Post by shuff27 on Jan 13, 2017 13:01:26 GMT
I agree with 09dolphin. Loan 1513094723 being a case in point - due to complete tomorrow but never had an update. So I won't select to renew it but may lend again if it gets extended, depending on what new info is eventually revealed.
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Post by peteuk on Jan 13, 2017 13:35:26 GMT
It's all a confidence issue why would I reinvest when I have five loans that are over two months overdue and one that is four months only one of those really concerns me is the Rishton loan with two pages of updates and still no sign of the money being paid back if anyone is not invested in this loan please have a look as I feel something is going terribly wrong with FS loan number1960999217 it is embarrassing to say the least
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