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Post by jonah on Dec 13, 2016 21:42:15 GMT
A very personal thread wickedxuk so thank you. I don't fit in any of the options above so haven't voted. I am spending some time currently on thinking, so a range of frank views from a diverse group of people has been helpful. Thank you for this thread and for those who commented.
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Post by jimbob on Dec 14, 2016 14:28:01 GMT
35, with 29 year old fiancee. There's no rush for anything much as neither of us particularly wants kids (Though I accept she might change her mind) - we've been living together for the last 8 years now.
Two horses, three cats and six rabbits though ( & we're getting a dog apparently in the spring !) so no shortage of mouths and bills !
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Post by skippyonspeed on Dec 14, 2016 18:22:02 GMT
I can not give a definitive answer to this, as it depends from which view I look at it from.
The unselfish view is no, I do not regret having children. I made a decision in the mid 70's that I would not have any because I didn't like the way the world was changing. One thing in particular that made me arrive at my decision was that the so called "experts" predicted an Ice Age by the year 2000. Fortunately, this was one of many reasons the others were political and social. I also thought the world was becoming over populated and would only get worse exponentially.
The selfish part of me says yes I do regret not having any. I am now in my early sixties and have no family of my own left and I dread this time of year.
However, I feel I made the right decision because I do not like the speed at which society is changing. The 'I want everything now' attitude is only going to lead to wrong decisions being made. I also think advancing technology, especially robotics should be slowed down and more thought given to how these changes could actually make life harder.
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 14, 2016 20:57:56 GMT
There seem to be enough of us here to have a great uninhibited New Years Eve piss-up.
Edit Up to two years ago, we used to go for a deadly NY Eve drink with the neighbours, round the table, dreary conversation. I just had enough of that, so last year I got together seven of us and we played murder in the dark and sardines plus "the peg game" and then danced and got pissed. This year 12 people are showing up to do the same. Only childish adults allowed. You can come if you like, skippyonspeed.
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Post by gaspilot on Dec 17, 2016 12:57:03 GMT
There have been a few studies on this subject and it appears that there isn't a great correlation between having children and happiness but the evidence (for most countries, but not all) is that there is a slight decrease in happiness for those with kids. Personally, I have four girls and there has been a mix of both pleasure and pain. Overall I'd say the pain is winning sadly.
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Post by buggerthebanks on Dec 20, 2016 20:50:54 GMT
I've never once wanted kids, or even to get married for that matter. I have a Godson I adore & see only a few times a year. I'd like to see a but more of him but that's enough for me.
I've always saved but now that I've passed 40 I've figured it's time to spend. I have no-one to bequeath it to & I sure as Hell aren't losing it in the next GFC / bank bail-in. For the last 18 months I've really enjoyed myself, but has anyone else felt any resentment? People only ever see what you have: they never see the hard work you've had to put in to get it. They also seem to feel entitled to a share of what I have (I should point out I'm by no means wealthy but I don't worry about putting food on the table). I've tried pointing out that they, too, could've spent 7 years in further & higher education, & then done a multitude of professional / technical qualifications (most of which were done in my own time & at my own expense), but that just seems to make me the bad guy.
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Dec 21, 2016 16:04:14 GMT
People with children will probably have less time to reply on this thread...
I have 3 (oldest is 6, youngest is almost 1). No regrets. I haven't really given much thought about children until my wife's clock suddenly went off when she was in her late 20s. Life changes drastically, as everyone knows, but i am not sure everyone realises to what extent exactly until you have your own. I don't know anyone who regrets this decision after having them (at least not in the open). I could also not imagine having regrets. The only regret that creeps in from time to time is the general feeling that the world is too cruel for them (even though relatively speaking, we are all incredibly privileged living in the developed world) and it seems that they should have some sort of say beforehand, whether to exist or not (sorry, I know this sounds insane).
I also don't think it is possible to make a rational decision (at least not for me). It was 80-90% an instinctive decision from my side if I try to be honest because there are too many variables to even begin to rationalise it. It just felt 'right' to have a family qhen the time felt right. If one cannot afford them, then it is perhaps an easier decision (but even this is is difficult to quantify and take into equation). By the time I was around 30, I was financially free (meaning, I didn't have to work to pay for our outgoings as income from investments covered everything) but I continue working anyway. My wife mostly takes care of the kids (and works part time). We never inherited any money.
With kids, the outgoings seem a little less predictable now (with private schools/universities etc, depending on what path they chose). My main worries are any potential health issues of the kids (or our own) and losing contact/become estranged from them for whatever reason later in life (I am very sad to hear this is the case for some, not just on this thread but realise it happens quite frequently in general). I need to try and keep our financial situation hidden from them to make sure they make their own way in life. I don't know if this will be possible though and plan to give it more thought when they know how to 'hack' into my computer/documents.
Everyone's situation will be way too individual to give any meaningful or useful advice even though it might seem like there are aspects that need considering...I think in the end nobody has a clue whether it was a net benefit overall or not, after the fact.
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Post by ranjeb on Dec 22, 2016 12:22:53 GMT
I made a choice not to have kids in order to travel and have a travel plan for the next ~30 years, I don't want that to change
I appreciate some people can do both but with my earnings I can't and travel takes priority. No regrets, I've always wanted to do it since watching Michael Palin as a kid.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 28, 2016 11:16:36 GMT
Coming at this from the other side...
After a week with my early-stages Alzheimers father staying, if anybody's looking to increase their personal responsibilities, he's available at a very reasonable price...
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Post by gibmike on Dec 28, 2016 19:41:44 GMT
Had one child, bought a house and my wife got diabetes all in the space of 6 months.
Never regretted my son, he has been brought up with manners, love him and my wife to bits.
My job is to get my investments to a point whereby should I "go", they are both comfortable for the rest of their lives.
In the meantime, yes, I want a bigger TV, nicer meals etc!
Mike
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Post by kulerucket on Jan 15, 2017 23:07:44 GMT
Through my 20's and early 30's I earned good money, traveled a lot, enjoyed life and did whatever I damn well pleased within reason. I wasn't that interested until about 35. After having them I look back and my life before seems quite shallow in comparison. I have found that having young kids is harder than I think someone without them can really understand as it robs you of nearly all of your free time and personal space. But I'm happier now than I was then and wouldn't change a thing. I think it must be some kind of biological switch we have evolved, because looking at the two scenarios objectively it doesn't make any sense to be happier with than without. I still can't wait to get some of my time back once they are older though.
EDIT: Additionally, my investments have nothing really to do with the kids. Obviously I want to leave them something but I think that they will get a lot more out of life by making their own way. For me investing is just setting myself and my wife up for retirement, and a bit of a hobby.
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Post by chielamangus on Jan 20, 2017 18:06:28 GMT
My experience is that if you have kids and spend time enjoying them, then you won't ever be money-rich or have to worry about what happens to your "wealth" when you die. The wealth will still be there, and some of them might be producing their own "wealth". After my wife, my kids were the best thing that ever happened to me. Mind you, they can be a pain when adults. One of mine has not spoken to me for six months - she is 47, going on 7 sometimes.
I never made a conscious decision to have children, and in fact did a great deal to avoid having them. But nature has a way, and my 16 year old was both irresistible and fertile ... so we got married. And we still are, though no one gave us a chance of staying together (pregnant teenager etc). And I have to say that money, or rather the ambition for more, never played any part in our lives. Whatever we have has been accrued incidentally.
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Post by chielamangus on Jan 20, 2017 18:12:22 GMT
There have been a few studies on this subject and it appears that there isn't a great correlation between having children and happiness but the evidence (for most countries, but not all) is that there is a slight decrease in happiness for those with kids. Personally, I have four girls and there has been a mix of both pleasure and pain. Overall I'd say the pain is winning sadly. Three girls - and the pleasure has been immeasurable. The pain only comes when they are adults and it is only occasional - could never wipe out the pleasure from their childhoods. I never trust these studies which try to measure happiness. I have a brother, with a partner, no children, who claims he is happy and independent. Can do what he likes. And what does he like doing? Counting up his assets, watching his shares, seeing his net wealth increase. A veritable Scrooge. Well, he does like a break at a Warners Hotel, God forbid!
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Post by ben on Jan 20, 2017 20:03:16 GMT
Have two of our own and one we aquired along the way, and so far no regrets.
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Post by bonfemme on Jan 24, 2017 6:51:24 GMT
Thanks wickedxuk for creating this topic. I've found it really interesting to read about some of the personal circumstances of the familiar names on here. I have two adult children. When they were very small, I read the proverb 'children are a certain sorrow but an uncertain joy' and have believed in that philosophy throughout their lives. There have many periods of worrying myself half to death. I've been angry and hurt and even disliked them on odd occasions. But I expected far worse. I was only sad for a short time they each flew the nest and don't get that much of a chance to miss them much as I see them both frequently. I don't cling to them, unlike my son-in-law's parents (mother) who has to have an hour's chit-chat with him each evening (usually around the time they're making dinner or bathing/putting the kids to bed). I don't know how I'd feel if I didn't have my partner to share my life with. I think that's probably the one thing that matters the most. Everything depends on what else you have in your life.
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