r1200gs
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Post by r1200gs on Jan 29, 2017 14:01:34 GMT
There has been plenty of decent stuff on the secondary market, just takes a little patience and timing. There'll be loads more after these go live. Except that I do not have any more money to invest----- unless anyone out there wants to share the extra you have. You know, after all it can reduce your problem of finding what to do with it. You might jest, but working out what to do with it IS a problem. One thing for sure, it's not sitting in bank accounts. I firmly believe a cash grab by bankrupt governments is firmly on the cards. In case you think that's paranoia and tin foil hat stuff, note that the IMF has all but sanctioned such a move in order to get a "return to debt sustainability". Anybody thinking Cyprus was a one-off needs to think again. The vast majority of the population will have no problem seeing high bank balances savaged, and the government knows it. Eurozone for sure.
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Post by lobster on Jan 29, 2017 14:13:29 GMT
Except that I do not have any more money to invest----- unless anyone out there wants to share the extra you have. You know, after all it can reduce your problem of finding what to do with it. You might jest, but working out what to do with it IS a problem. One thing for sure, it's not sitting in bank accounts. I firmly believe a cash grab by bankrupt governments is firmly on the cards. In case you think that's paranoia and tin foil hat stuff, note that the IMF has all but sanctioned such a move in order to get a "return to debt sustainability". Anybody thinking Cyprus was a one-off needs to think again. The vast majority of the population will have no problem seeing high bank balances savaged, and the government knows it. Eurozone for sure. I find it very hard to believe that the risk of this actually happening is as likely as you perceive it to be. However, if you really do hold the view that the entire financial system is at risk, then you should probably be stocking up on Gold.
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Post by ben on Jan 29, 2017 14:20:05 GMT
I doubt very much that will happen especially not with this government. The tories at the end of the day are all about keeping the wealthy rich.
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r1200gs
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Post by r1200gs on Jan 29, 2017 14:23:30 GMT
You might jest, but working out what to do with it IS a problem. One thing for sure, it's not sitting in bank accounts. I firmly believe a cash grab by bankrupt governments is firmly on the cards. In case you think that's paranoia and tin foil hat stuff, note that the IMF has all but sanctioned such a move in order to get a "return to debt sustainability". Anybody thinking Cyprus was a one-off needs to think again. The vast majority of the population will have no problem seeing high bank balances savaged, and the government knows it. Eurozone for sure. I find it very hard to believe that the risk of this actually happening is as likely as you perceive it to be. However, if you really do hold the view that the entire financial system is at risk, then you should probably be stocking up on Gold. It's already part of my portfolio. From the IMF, and who gave them this idea? How about the governments involved? ""The sharp deterioration of the public finances in many countries has revived interest in a “capital levy”— a one-off tax on private wealth—as an exceptional measure to restore debt sustainability. The appeal is that such a tax, if it is implemented before avoidance is possible and there is a belief that it will never be repeated, does not distort behavior (and may be seen by some as fair). There have been illustrious supporters, including Pigou, Ricardo, Schumpeter, and—until he changed his mind—Keynes. The conditions for success are strong, but also need to be weighed against the risks of the alternatives, which include repudiating public debt or inflating it away (these, in turn, are a particular form of wealth tax—on bondholders—that also falls on nonresidents) There is a surprisingly large amount of experience to draw on, as such levies were widely adopted in Europe after World War I and in Germany and Japan after World War II. Reviewed in Eichengreen (1990), this experience suggests that more notable than any loss of credibility was a simple failure to achieve debt reduction, largely because the delay in introduction gave space for extensive avoidance and capital flight – in turn spurring inflation. The tax rates needed to bring down public debt to precrisis levels, moreover, are sizable: reducing debt ratios to end-2007 levels would require (for a sample of 15 euro area countries) a tax rate of about 10 percent on households with positive net wealth(*). (*) IMF staff calculcation using the Eurosystem’s Household Finance and Consumption Survey; unweighted average.""
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Post by chielamangus on Jan 29, 2017 15:59:29 GMT
You quote a Eurozone study so the countries in mind are Spain, Portugal, Greece, & Italy. And the IMF is notorious for not understanding practical politics or even simple economics - its macro models have no credibility. In the UK such a tax would only hit the middle classes as the very wealthy keep their money well away from the taxman so it would never be entertained. I think your fears are groundless but I know I could never convince a paranoiac.
But we are far away from caravan parks ...
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Post by am on Jan 29, 2017 17:56:14 GMT
A capital levy doesn't have to be levied on bank accounts. It could be levied instead, for example, on equity/fund portfolios of more than £1m. Another alternative would be a one-off hike of tax rates on income over £100,000.
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Post by am on Jan 29, 2017 18:04:02 GMT
How do you know what the LTVs are? The best information I have is that the borrower is paying £15m for the three properties, which would make the aggregate LTV 50%, but we don't know how this is apportioned between the 3 properties (my analysis is that there are 3 separate vendors), nor how much hope value is included in the purchase price. It is also possible that the threat of planning enforcement on PBL151 should be reflected in a lowered valuation.
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Jan 29, 2017 18:27:00 GMT
LTV Schmall Tevee, this is SS we're dealing with ........................ LTVs eh? Not what they once were in my day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 8:39:58 GMT
Ah Punt pole or embrace?
I grew up near here and the sites were much disliked when orginally introduced. But I'll risk £100 just for the next 6 to 9 months.
Phew.
Come on MT!
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Post by chrisuk on Jan 30, 2017 9:13:46 GMT
You might jest, but working out what to do with it IS a problem. One thing for sure, it's not sitting in bank accounts. I firmly believe a cash grab by bankrupt governments is firmly on the cards. In case you think that's paranoia and tin foil hat stuff, note that the IMF has all but sanctioned such a move in order to get a "return to debt sustainability". Anybody thinking Cyprus was a one-off needs to think again. The vast majority of the population will have no problem seeing high bank balances savaged, and the government knows it. Eurozone for sure. I find it very hard to believe that the risk of this actually happening is as likely as you perceive it to be. However, if you really do hold the view that the entire financial system is at risk, then you should probably be stocking up on Gold. As far as I'm concerned the British Government, as a result of artificially low interest rates, have been raiding 'savers' accounts for several years now. The Cypriot Government were just more open about it!
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Post by GeorgeT on Jan 30, 2017 11:47:47 GMT
If interest rates has been 5% or so in the building societies you would only have half as many investors in the peer-to-peer sector because people wouldn't have had the need to seek it out. It would be restricted to your big corporations and professional investors and fat cats sitting in off-shore tax Havens
Now on the subject of these caravan parks I am forced to admit that these could be the last 12% loans we will see in a very long time and that means that although these loans are very bad loans in lots of ways and they would be priced at 14% on another platform I am going to feel forced to take a piece of the two smallest ones to sustain my 12% rate on saving stream for another few months before I will be forced sadly to exit the platform because my overall net return will be down into single figures and I am not prepared to gamble my money on high risk ideas like these caravan parks for a measly single figure return.
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Post by r1200gs on Jan 30, 2017 12:09:05 GMT
In the UK such a tax would only hit the middle classes as the very wealthy keep their money well away from the taxman so it would never be entertained. I think your fears are groundless but I know I could never convince a paranoiac. But we are far away from caravan parks ... Indeed we are. I, on the other hand, am in the Eurozone and have friends who had money confiscated in Cyprus. I mentioned that I was particularly talking about the Eurozone earlier. I don't do paranoia. An earlier poster suggested that this would not happen because the Tories will protect the rich, and you made exactly the point I was going to make. The very rich would not be badly effected, only the middle classes. Now, where are our loans!
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Jan 30, 2017 12:38:12 GMT
Middle Classes, backbone of the country, and perpetually screwed by successive Governments as a "Thank You."
12% or not, these Parks are not for me, I definitely see a "Correction" coming, just not sure when?!
But then, I'm nowhere near as adventurous as many on here, and "Good Luck" to you for your bravery.
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Post by dan83 on Jan 30, 2017 13:35:10 GMT
Is anyone expecting this to go live today?
I expected it to go live 1st thing this morning.
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Post by cooling_dude on Jan 30, 2017 13:38:35 GMT
Is anyone expecting this to go live today? I expected it to go live 1st thing this morning. SS don't have a standard time for a loan going live; it will simply be sometime today. In the past, there have been loans that have gone live after 6 pm!
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