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Post by captainconfident on May 19, 2014 23:56:36 GMT
My question is, if the Scottish vote for independence, will the current enthusiasm for pulling out of the EU still be as strong?
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Post by oldnick on May 20, 2014 6:21:30 GMT
Just had a thought - England leaves the UK.
Scotland gets to keep the membership of the EC that they want, accepting the European currency, which will please Europe, and England takes Sterling, leaves the EU and becomes Europe's new dodgy tax haven now Switzerland has given up on it.
Haven't figured it what happens to Wales and Northern Ireland but that would be Scotland's problem as Senior member of the UK.
We've got to do it before the Scots have their referendum though.
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Post by oldnick on May 20, 2014 6:30:43 GMT
And we get Nigel Farage as PM...
"I think I'd better think it it out again" in the words of the song.
Hoist by my own Farage. :-(
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jun 5, 2014 14:11:22 GMT
Anyway,how come the English don't get a vote as to whether Scotland should be a separate country??
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Post by oldnick on Jun 5, 2014 15:38:13 GMT
Anyway,how come the English don't get a vote as to whether Scotland should be a separate country?? I don't remember being asked if I wanted them in either. (was just voting age then) :-)
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Post by j on Jun 5, 2014 15:46:12 GMT
I was about to join the debate then remembered how much I like today's politics/politicians
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Post by oldnick on Jun 8, 2014 8:52:03 GMT
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Post by j on Jun 8, 2014 16:07:51 GMT
Really interesting article but, I'm still more persuaded by the 'united' argument'
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Post by oldnick on Jun 8, 2014 16:47:52 GMT
Really interesting article but, I'm still more persuaded by the 'united' argument' Me too, but there is a groundswell of parochialism at the moment and quite a disconnect between politicians and the electorate. I've always held the belief that I didn't mind if a significant proportion of eligible voters didn't bother as it made my vote count for more. There must come a point though when the nonvoters cease to cooperate with the establishment altogether, and anarchy is not something into which we should sleepwalk. If regional elections revive the public's interest in politics perhaps some sort of English 'devolution light' would be desirable. The Cornish and Northumbrian regional identities are already forming, no doubt others would follow if it was offered.
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Post by uncletone on Jun 8, 2014 17:10:32 GMT
I've always quite liked the idea of being able to vote for an "Anarchy Party", but I've never found anyone willing to found such a thing.
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Post by oldnick on Jun 8, 2014 19:13:44 GMT
Same trouble with the Apathy party apparently.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 8, 2014 20:55:32 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that letting Scotland go it’s own way can only be to England’s advantage.
Less subsidies, no Scottish MP’s at Westminster voting on exclusively English issues and less probability of Labour governments. 
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Post by baz657 on Jun 8, 2014 23:54:53 GMT
Same trouble with the Apathy party apparently. I was thinking about it but couldn't be bothered. Boom Boom I'll get me coat and hut the door on me way out 
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Post by oldnick on Jun 9, 2014 5:32:12 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that letting Scotland go it’s own way can only be to England’s advantage.
Less subsidies, no Scottish MP’s at Westminster voting on exclusively English issues and less probability of Labour governments.
We must be careful what we wish for. The gods have a way of punishing us with wishes fulfilled but not quite as we expected. A Tory government without a powerful opposition will probably become lazy and incompetent (Ok, more lazy and more incompetent) and might split into a left and right wing (oops, already has - UKIP). The government focus would still be London-centric, because that's where the money is, so the provinces might be no better off than they are now. The 'Game of Thrones' scenario plays out in my head as a war between the P2P barons with Andrew Holgate as Ned Stark (don't tell him how it turns out for him though) and FC as the Lanisters :-)
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Post by oldnick on Jun 9, 2014 5:50:13 GMT
My mind wandered and I finished my post too soon.
The English and the Scots provide each other with a very valuable sanity check and we will both be worse off apart, regardless of any of the supposed financial gains or losses proposed.
The Scots moulded all that Great Britain has become - the empire and the industrial revolution to name only the most obvious arenas. Neither country would have achieved so much alone.
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