mnm
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Post by mnm on Feb 2, 2017 19:37:57 GMT
If this has been dealt with somewhere else please re-direct me.
If/when a P2P platform goes bust does anyone know how safe/efficient/seamless the (FSA required) “back up” company is?
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Post by james on Feb 2, 2017 20:16:19 GMT
Please edit the title so you're not announcing that there's a P2P platform gone bust.
No experience yet with the transitions so other than it being required it's hard to say. The FCA will presumably have required record-keeping sufficient to make it not unduly tough, but it would still be inconvenient at best.
Secondary markets might not continue to operate or might see lots of worried sellers driving down the prices in those allowing variable pricing.
To date the UK failures have generally been decently to well handled but are from before the FCA arrived. Takeover, loans being allowed to run off and/or borrowers encouraged to refinance to run down the loan book more quickly.
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nick
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Post by nick on Feb 3, 2017 9:08:14 GMT
Whilst the FCA requires that arrangements should be in place for the orderly run-off loan books in the event of platform failure, not all firms have adequate arrangements. The FCA's interim review of the P2P lending sector late last year highlighted this specific risk/weakness and made the following comment in its conclusions "The plans some firms have for wind-down in the event of their failure are inadequate to successfully run-off loan books to maturity.". The FCA intends to launch a consultation in the coming months to help address this risk and others it has identified. A high level summary of their findings can be read here: www.fca.org.uk/news/press-releases/fca-publishes-interim-feedback-following-call-input-post-implementation-reviewPlatform risk remains one of my biggest concerns which I try to mitigate by diversifying as much as possible over several platforms. Whilst the risk of a large outright loss occurring as a result of a platform failing may be small, there will be a very large liquidity risk, ie unlikely that a SM will continue to operate and you will most likely be stuck with loan through to maturity.
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Post by markdirac on Feb 3, 2017 14:30:49 GMT
I imagine the platforms need to have some cash squirreled away to pay for "orderly run off" over several years, perhaps seven? I cannot see how it would be possible without some funds being set-aside? I doubt that insurance would cover the cost.
But on the other hand, I really cannot believe that these fast-growing, cash-starved businesses will be able to afford any spare cash to squirrel away.
Anyone know what arrangements any of the platforms have currently, err, arranged?
(I too consider platform risk to be higher than borrower risk.)
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nick
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Post by nick on Feb 3, 2017 14:45:38 GMT
I imagine the platforms need to have some cash squirreled away to pay for "orderly run off" over several years, perhaps seven? I cannot see how it would be possible without some funds being set-aside? I doubt that insurance would cover the cost. But on the other hand, I really cannot believe that these fast-growing, cash-starved businesses will be able to afford any spare cash to squirrel away. Anyone know what arrangements any of the platforms have currently, err, arranged? (I too consider platform risk to be higher than borrower risk.) I understand that nearly all arrangements that are in place involve the administrator being paid from the future platform fees payable by borrowers and lenders (where applicable) whilst the loan book is run down/sold - no cash is additional cash is required to be ring fenced. This does give rise to the risk that this revenue stream is insufficient and the administrator may try to walk away from the contract (after all the platform will be in poor shape to try to enforce the contract and the administrator/liquidator of the platform will have little interest pursuing legal action as the platform itself will not being suffering any loss).
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Post by rick24 on Feb 3, 2017 14:47:28 GMT
I imagine the platforms need to have some cash squirreled away to pay for "orderly run off" over several years, perhaps seven? I cannot see how it would be possible without some funds being set-aside? I doubt that insurance would cover the cost. But on the other hand, I really cannot believe that these fast-growing, cash-starved businesses will be able to afford any spare cash to squirrel away. Anyone know what arrangements any of the platforms have currently, err, arranged? (I too consider platform risk to be higher than borrower risk.) I imagine that run-off expenses would be taken from the interest and (in the worst case) principal recovered.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:56:22 GMT
SYSC 4.1.8C (https://www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/SYSC/4/1.html) of the FCA handbook sets out the arrangement(s) that a (fully FCA authorised) P2P platform may have in place in the event of platform failure (insolvency etc.): (1) entering into an arrangement with another firm to take over the management and administration of P2P agreements if the operator ceases to operate the electronic system in relation to lending; or (2) holding sufficient collateral in a segregated account to cover the cost of management and administration while the loan book is wound down; or (3) entering into an arrangement for another firm to act as guarantor for the P2P agreements which includes a legally enforceable arrangement to meet the costs of the guarantee in full; or (4) managing the loan book in a way that ensures that income from P2P agreements facilitated by the firm is sufficient to cover the costs of managing and administering those agreements during the winding down process, taking into account the reduction of the loan pool and fee income from it. Also see SYSC 4.1.8A, SYSC 4.1.8B and SYSC 4.1. for further requirements.
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Post by stevio on Feb 9, 2017 17:52:27 GMT
What about the loan agreements themselves - are they not more commonly Lender to Borrower rather than Lender to Platform to Borrower?
Does that assist in anyway?
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Post by nick on Feb 9, 2017 21:50:14 GMT
What about the loan agreements themselves - are they not more commonly Lender to Borrower rather than Lender to Platform to Borrower? Does that assist in anyway? Yes, it does, but platform risk is not normally due to any direct credit exposure to the platform operator, more the risk that it becomes difficult to administer and enforce your debt if the platform disappears. Just imagine if one of the platforms you have money invested on went bust overnight. Who administers the client account and allocation of cash movements in and out? Who can give you a copy of the underlying loan agreement? Who is empowered to deal with the security arrangements? - it could very quickly turn into a big mess unless proper arrangements are already in place to deal with such an event. It is these practicalities that could ultimately make it difficult for you to enforce all you individual loans, even if the debtor continues to pay (eg who is going to administer the client account which the debtors are paying money?)
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Post by investisseur on Feb 14, 2017 23:38:37 GMT
Can anyone list p2p lending platforms that have gone bust?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 15, 2017 0:42:48 GMT
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Post by yorkshireman on Feb 15, 2017 1:00:34 GMT
Yes Secure, the platform that made Funding Circle’s offerings look like high quality corporate bonds.
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Post by bobthebuilder on Feb 15, 2017 3:32:05 GMT
Who's trying to get their post count up?
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Post by yorkshireman on Feb 15, 2017 9:56:52 GMT
Who's trying to get their post count up? You, obviously.
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Post by shimself on Feb 15, 2017 12:02:30 GMT
I'll suggest to the FCA that if platforms were obliged to get some of their income as repayments were made that this could be tweaked to making it worthwhile for the run-off administrator to do just that, and at the same time force an element of skin in the game on the platforms
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