jaswells
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Post by jaswells on Feb 3, 2017 0:33:47 GMT
Has anyone bought into the Global P2P investment fund: www.p2pgi.com/At first glance it is heavily diversified across massive range of p2p intermediaries and provides exposure to large US/Euro market. Total loans are over 100000 with almost 1 billion invested. Returns are 5-7% p/a however the decline in share price is concerning. There is a sense that tougher times may be ahead for P2P and discussion boards on some sites raise concerns over buybacks and dividend cover. Worth a look though!
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SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Feb 3, 2017 7:44:45 GMT
I bought some when it dipped to 740-ish a couple of months back. Questor was plugging it in yesterday's Torygraph.
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nick
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Post by nick on Feb 3, 2017 9:32:15 GMT
I hold a position in P2PGI which I have built up it as its price dipped below 800 and its discount to NAV has widened to 20%+. Its current NAV performance has been disappointing and is running at about 3-4%pa (its long term dividend target is 6-8%pa). Recent underperformance has been blamed on rising impairment levels as its loan book has matured and because of cash drag from having to fund margin on forex hedges on its large US consumer loan book (about 55% of NAV). Whilst the managers believe that impairment levels have probably peaked, I'm not so sure given the maturity profile of their currentloan book. I would strongly advise reading their last quarterly newsletter which given a good summary overview of their activities, performance and risk as well a being a good general read (http://www.p2pgi.com/investorrelations/view/P2PGlobalInvestmentsDecember2016Newsletter).
At 800p, its current trading at about a 20% discount to NAV. This provides a degree of comfort but its ultimate performance is going to be very reliant on the performance of its US consumer loan book which could go either way. Increases in US interest rates may increase impairments as well as increase its own funding costs which could have significant impact given its 80%+ gearing.
It worth noting that the company is currently supporting the share price via a buyback pragramme under which has been buying back about 50,000 of its own shares daily over the past couple of months which has supported the share price from greater falls.
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Post by hazellend on Feb 3, 2017 17:53:52 GMT
I'm nursing a 28% paper loss in the capital value of P2PGI as I've held from the days when it traded at a large premium! Fortunately, I only invested 10k rather than the larger amount I was considering!
No choice now but to hold forever although might sell to offset capital gains elsewhere.
I bought these before I knew about p2pforum and learnt for myself but don't see the investment as particularly attractive anymore given I now know how to build a highly diversified asset backed p2p loan portfolio paying much higher interest.
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Post by davee39 on Feb 3, 2017 19:37:49 GMT
I hold VSL & P2P Global.
VSL has seen a 7% drop in NAV partly due to Funding circle loans, and a wide range of creative excuses. Current dividend is 7.5% if the 1.5p quarterly payout is maintained. Half-hearted share buybacks should see some capital recovery (I am currently breaking even after the recent modest price recovery.
P2PG has maintained asset value, but is paying dividends out of reserves and seems to be waiting for something to turn up. Share buybacks have supported the price but the recent monthly report disappointed the market. I am showing an average 7% loss here, with a current dividend of around 5.5%. I am now buying through a monthly savings plan with Hargreaves Lansdown which minimizes dealing costs and goes some way to even out price fluctuations.
Having declared my interest you can evaluate my Strong Buy (please) recommendation. The discounts on both funds are too high and should eventually recover, adding modest capital growth to a decent income. I would not buy if the discount fell below 10%.
The FC trust is currently trading at a premium. I am going nowhere near it.
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Post by fp on Feb 3, 2017 19:45:30 GMT
I currently hold some, but will sell (again) once/if the price gets a bit higher, i'm of the same mind as samford71 and am more minded to flip for profit and hopefully buy back in a dip.
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Post by bababill on Feb 4, 2017 0:48:36 GMT
I'm not a fan of "carry" strategies (hence why I only have 5% on my assets in P2P). DEFINITION of 'Carry Trade' A trading strategy that involves borrowing at a low interest rate and investing in an asset that provides a higher rate of return. www.investopedia.com/terms/c/carry-trade.asp-0Not sure of the connection between 'carry' strategies and P2P.
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Post by vmail on Feb 4, 2017 10:20:26 GMT
I'm not a fan of "carry" strategies (hence why I only have 5% on my assets in P2P). DEFINITION of 'Carry Trade' A trading strategy that involves borrowing at a low interest rate and investing in an asset that provides a higher rate of return. www.investopedia.com/terms/c/carry-trade.asp-0Not sure of the connection between 'carry' strategies and P2P. I like that idea
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Post by stevefindlay on Feb 6, 2017 21:24:04 GMT
We did a quick overview on the five listed funds over 2016: www.bondmason.com/managed-p2p-lending-funds-review-and-comparisonSummary: decent NAV performance not translating into good share price performance. Various reasons: some specific to the fund - gearing, cash drag, fees, costs, unproven dividend history, team, share illiquidity etc.; others general - market sentiment, relatively young asset class, UK concerns, etc
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 8, 2017 9:11:33 GMT
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Post by rick24 on Feb 8, 2017 10:34:32 GMT
I've just exited from P2P Global (at a loss) and from FCIF (at a profit), making a small profit overall. I was getting a bit jittery about having so much exposure to the sector and to unsecured loans in particular. Now I just have to figure out where to put the money in the low interest rate/growing inflation environment. Keeping it in cash is a guaranteed loss at the moment, especially if inflation spikes.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Apr 6, 2017 10:31:25 GMT
Board has resolved to initiate a review of the Company's investment management arrangements. << Announced on 4th April.
Share price went up about 5% yesterday.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Apr 6, 2017 17:03:14 GMT
The FT and other press has taken the review to mean considering changing the investment manager. Up 2% more today
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Post by hazellend on Apr 6, 2017 18:44:40 GMT
I have this trust. It's now only 25% down.
How did the pros lose so much money when an amateur like myself does so much better?
Lesson learned, avoid all these alternative investments where you are paying a high fee to a manager to underperform.
Guess I'll hold onto this for the long term to see if it comes back and as a reminder.
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