ashtondav
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Post by ashtondav on Feb 9, 2017 13:00:09 GMT
What precisely is the meaning, and additional security, of the wording:
"supported by a personal guarantee"
How more secure is such a loan than a loan with no "personal guarantee".
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 9, 2017 13:38:23 GMT
It means that an individual is personally liable for the debt (or another company if its a company or cross guarentee) over and above the specific security the loan is secured on (if any)
Depends firstly on whos giving the personal guarentee, their assets and is the PG specifically backed by any assets.
So a PG that identifies specific assets over which lenders have a claim if the PG is called on obviously adds to the strength of the security. A particular example was the FF loan on AC where guarentee was backed by a share portfolio which enabled recovery of the loan.
Otherwise, its a question of whether the PG can be pursued and that seems to be very hit & miss. If the PG is from a HNW individual then in theory there should be something to pursue, though how easy this is depends on how cooperative they are and whether they are willing to expend resources to avoid/limit their obligations. In many cases PG turn out to be worthless as the guarantor doesnt have the resources to make any meaningful contribution, has multiple creditors so any return is diluted, 'avoids' the claim, goes bankrupt etc. Again depends on the attitude of the borrower. I have one on FK who has been making small contributions to his debt from a low salary for a while now because he believes that is right thing to do, others dont take that attitude.
Overall a PG probably adds little to the security. It does mean that a loan to a company has an additional recovery route and ties a director/owner to the loan but one that generally turns out to be poor or useless in above average number of cases.
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ashtondav
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Post by ashtondav on Feb 9, 2017 13:46:59 GMT
So realy unless HNW and/or "honourable", its worthless - and since neither is reported on FS I dont see the point of quoting it as in today's A........d loan at 3pm.
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Post by sqh on Feb 9, 2017 15:26:14 GMT
A very clear explanation from Il Moro.
You might also like to consider how proactive is the P2P platform at pursuing a claim against a PG.
There is a loan on ReBs where the borrower (H**** I********) listed assets worth 15 times the amount borrowed, then sold the business and immediately defaulted. ReBs failed to pursue the borrower and agreed to a 24% recovery, without even questioning the borrower. After reporting ReBs to the FCA, there are now tentative signs that further action will be taken against the borrower.
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