cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 12, 2017 20:27:18 GMT
LIVE LOAN - Due To Go Live Soon
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| @ 1st Tranche 14/02/17
| @ 2nd Tranche >TBD<
| Loan Amount | : | £ | 734,709 |
| Gross Dev. Value | : | £ | 2,610,000 |
| SS Indicated LTGV | : |
| 28% |
| Current Value
| : | £ | 1,050,000
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| Current LTV
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| 70% |
| 90 Day Market Valuation | : | £ | 890,000
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| LTV Based on 90 day MV | : |
| 83% |
| Term | : |
| 334 days |
| % PA
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| 9% |
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jcb208
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Post by jcb208 on Feb 12, 2017 20:30:20 GMT
Looks like we will never see a new 12% loan again
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 12, 2017 20:32:56 GMT
Looks like we will never see a new 12% loan again Not on these small loans - too easy to fill. More profit for SS... more risk for investors The larger loans should see 12%, but I wonder how long before even those start to shrink...
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ben
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Post by ben on Feb 12, 2017 20:45:08 GMT
Looks like we will never see a new 12% loan again Not on these small loans - too easy to fill. More profit for SS... more risk for investors The larger loans should see 12%, but I wonder how long before even those start to shrink... Doubt very long as when look at investor numbers on the tranches that have been released at 12% it is a lot higher then the ones at 8/9%
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oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Feb 12, 2017 21:20:38 GMT
I wonder if SS will encourage any borrowers requiring larger amounts to take a number of smaller tranches as a matter of course, just so that the consequent smaller tranches can be offered to lenders at 8-9% rather than 11-12%.
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am
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Post by am on Feb 13, 2017 10:18:33 GMT
I looked up the related company from which the property is to be purchased. It turns out to be in receivership related to a charge on the subject property.
As far as I can see we are not told what the amount of the total facility is, nor what the price being paid to the related company for the property is. If we were to assume that the current offer is a first tranche and covers the purchase price and interest, then the purchase price would be approximately £675,000. To this one might have to add a construction loan of £850,000, giving a total facility £1,525,000, corresponding to an LT(GD)V of 58%. That number does not include Lendy's cut of the interest, nor Lendy's fees, but also does not take into account any developer's equity, should there be any.
We also don't seem to be told the value of the limited personal guarantee.
The property was for sale at auction (March 2016) at a guide price of £600,000, which is less than the price paid in November 2007. Since the original borrower is repurchasing the property out of administration it would appear that that price wasn't achieved. Taking this at face value one could estimate the LTV on drawdown as in excess of 100%. The LTV of the current loan as against the current value given in the VR is almost exactly 70%, which casts doubt on the assumption that the first tranche covers the purchase price and interest. The VR's assumptions about finance costs are optimistic - it seems to me that this means that the current valuation should be reduced, pushing the LTV over 70%.
We're told that the rear gardens occupy 0.41 acres. The sale particulars give us the size of the full site, at 0.663 acres.
We are told that one exit strategy is to retain the property as an investment, refinancing onto a term loan. I am skeptical of the viability of that as an exit strategy. From what I have seen rental yields on high end properties are typically low, and are insufficient to cover finance costs, unless the borrower has a high level of equity in the property. (FC has a loan for an expensive rural property in Warwickshire where the rent didn't cover the interest, and that wasn't at a particularly high LTV - I didn't lend on that loan.) We don't seem to have been given an estimate of the market rent, so I have no numbers with which to test my suspicions.
Given the state of the property one would expect that the borrower would want to start construction immediately, rather than run up extra costs due to further deterioration ("approaching a point whereby demolition, at least in part and rebuilding will become the only financially sensible option"), so one wonders why the initial tranche isn't larger to cover at least some of the construction costs.
I haven't managed to track down the beneficial owner - I am assuming that the accountant who is the company director and shareholder is an agent.
Given the development history, the poor state of the property, and the difficulty of valuing the property, 9% doesn't appeal to me. As a risk-averse lender I'd still be thinking hard at 12%.
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am
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Post by am on Feb 13, 2017 10:41:33 GMT
As far as I can see we are not told what the amount of the total facility is, One small point regarding the quoted snippet. Lendy's letter of instruction to the Valuers does state: "LOAN AMOUNT: £1.55M". I did worry that the information was hiding somewhere obscure. (It ought to be front and centre in the loan particulars.) Seems my worry was justified. Perhaps next time I'll remember to check the letter of instruction.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 13, 2017 10:55:57 GMT
I'm not sure that wealthy people would want to live so close to the M11.
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elliotn
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Post by elliotn on Feb 13, 2017 11:11:44 GMT
One small point regarding the quoted snippet. Lendy's letter of instruction to the Valuers does state: "LOAN AMOUNT: £1.55M". I did worry that the information was hiding somewhere obscure. (It ought to be front and centre in the loan particulars.) Seems my worry was justified. Perhaps next time I'll remember to check the letter of instruction. It was also buried on dfl014 where all we saw was a market beating 10% ltgdv. If their communications expert is unable to help SS with information presented to lenders perhaps fca will help cut down on the storytelling.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Feb 13, 2017 11:25:59 GMT
I'm not sure that wealthy people would want to live so close to the M11. You'd be surprised - not necessarily there, but some of the most expensive areas are right on top of other motorways.
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merlin
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Post by merlin on Feb 13, 2017 12:35:32 GMT
The more DD I do the more concerns I turn up. Wouldn't go near this even at 20%, 9% to my mind is just taking the proverbial.
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am
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Post by am on Feb 13, 2017 13:52:31 GMT
Going live tomorrow (St. Valentine's Day)
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Post by geraldine1210 on Feb 13, 2017 15:34:48 GMT
Is there seriously one person prepared to invest even £100 in this loan?
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jamesc
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Post by jamesc on Feb 13, 2017 15:48:57 GMT
Is there seriously one person prepared to invest even £100 in this loan? I will and then immediately sell £90 because I like to have £10 in every loan and I cant prefund £10 !!
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fasty
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Post by fasty on Feb 13, 2017 15:50:29 GMT
Is there seriously one person prepared to invest even £100 in this loan? I'm sure it will fill!
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