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Post by stub8535 on Feb 15, 2017 11:38:52 GMT
Beware a change in bonus rates for the 5 to 10k band. Was 1% will be 1/2% according to messages reveived yesterday.
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Post by 09dolphin on Feb 15, 2017 11:53:03 GMT
Didn't have 24 hours to reconsider my reinvestment ( was a LTV of 53.85% and on renewal is now 64.6% - an increase of well over 10%). FS consider that slightly more than 22.5 hours to consider the change in LTV is more than adequate - which assumes you are "on line" and receive/ read the email in a timely fashion.
Will be following this up when I arrive back in the UK as I think the regulatory body should make a ruling as to the fairness of less than 24 hours to receive the information and make a decision when there has been a substantial change in the LTV.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 15, 2017 23:23:59 GMT
Beware a change in bonus rates for the 5 to 10k band. Was 1% will be 1/2% according to messages reveived yesterday. Then again, the base interest rate for the loan has increased from 12% to 13%. So someone with a £5-10k investment in the old loan would have been accruing 13% (12%+1%), and if their investment is rolled forward into the new loan they'll accrue 13.5% (13%+0.5%). Personally, I'd prefer the latter, although the new loan's higher LTV means the comparison isn't that simple.
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Post by stub8535 on Feb 16, 2017 1:58:54 GMT
And the increase in interest rate is a result of an increase in borrowing. I take your point though mikes1531. I pointed it out in order to direct people with renew button set and £5k to check rather than assume bonus rate remained as it was.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 17, 2017 0:05:22 GMT
And the increase in interest rate is a result of an increase in borrowing. While it might be, I suspect the rate would have been raised to 13% even if it was a straightforward renewal. 13% is the going rate these days. 12% loans struggle to fill unless they are quite small. Examples: Microsculptures loan: renewed nearly two weeks ago and it hasn't even reached 60% funded yet. Southampton loan: simple renewal Thursday, and the rate was increased from 12% to 13%. Carlisle development loan: simple renewal Friday, and the rate is increasing from 12% to 13%.
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Post by stub8535 on Feb 17, 2017 6:57:30 GMT
Good point mikes1531. I hadnt noticed on microsculptures. Wonder when cashback will be applied to fill it?
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Post by SteveT on Feb 17, 2017 7:40:31 GMT
Good point mikes1531. I hadnt noticed on microsculptures. Wonder when cashback will be applied to fill it? No need. It's already filled by underwriter funds so unlikely FS will want to pay again.
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 17, 2017 8:50:08 GMT
And the increase in interest rate is a result of an increase in borrowing. While it might be, I suspect the rate would have been raised to 13% even if it was a straightforward renewal. 13% is the going rate these days. 12% loans struggle to fill unless they are quite small. Examples: Microsculptures loan: renewed nearly two weeks ago and it hasn't even reached 60% funded yet. Southampton loan: simple renewal Thursday, and the rate was increased from 12% to 13%. Carlisle development loan: simple renewal Friday, and the rate is increasing from 12% to 13%. It's interesting isn't it that FS is one of the few (only?) places where interest rates have been on the rise over the last 12 months. It is the sharp end of asset backed P2P lending though in my view, which is why they need to offer these rates. Defaults and extended lock-ins can and do happen regularly on FS. Still, I prefer living in the real world, rather than the peculiar simulcrum over on SS where there are almost no defaults apparently (appreciate this may/should change in a couple of weeks, although we'll see). I wonder if SS will need to offer similar rates once their non-forum userbase realise that P2P lending isn't 'saving'
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Post by stub8535 on Feb 17, 2017 9:51:11 GMT
Do the underwriters end up stuck with the unsold portion or is there a time limitation?
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 17, 2017 13:13:00 GMT
Do the underwriters end up stuck with the unsold portion or is there a time limitation? It could be either -- it'll depend on the specific agreement between FS and the underwriter. ... microsculptures. Wonder when cashback will be applied to fill it? No need. It's already filled by underwriter funds so unlikely FS will want to pay again. SteveT: Doesn't this also depend on the underwriting agreement? I expect the underwriters are being paid more than 12% p.a. while their funds are tied up. If FS think they're going to be paying the high underwriters' rates for an extended period then they might decide to offer incentives to fund the loan and get rid of the underwriters. Having said that, though, the loan is nearly 60% full now and if they do offer incentives they'd probably have to give those to the investors already committed to the loan, so it might be cheaper for them to pay underwriter rates on part of the loan and 12% on the rest than to pay incentive rates on the whole loan. There's also the possibility that the incentives wouldn't work and they'd end up paying incentive rates on part of the loan and underwriter rates on the rest. ISTM that something -- probably FS's long list of overdue loans -- is taking a toll on investor confidence. Whereas renewals used to go live on the platform showing to be 60-70% filled via rollover investments, nowadays the rollover percentage seems to be down to the 30-40% range. (That's what happened with Southampton and Carlisle this week.)
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Post by ben on Feb 17, 2017 13:54:18 GMT
Do the underwriters end up stuck with the unsold portion or is there a time limitation? I would guess they would have to be stuck with it until it was sold, that be part of the risk for them, as if FS could just buy all the unsold parts anyway then they would not use underwriters.
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Post by stub8535 on Feb 17, 2017 15:48:35 GMT
I also find it misleading that FS quote a renewal as a new loan for statistics purposes just because they issue a new loan number. Skews the cummulative loans made figure in statistics making them meaninglass marketing tools. If they added orderbook size to the graph or a split of new originations and renewals then they would be giving the true picture. My belief is that the loanbook size is decreasing as loans get paid off and not renewed. Reduces opportunities for investment so FS then need to up the marketing sctivity.
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Post by eascogo on Feb 17, 2017 20:18:45 GMT
... ISTM that something -- probably FS's long list of overdue loans -- is taking a toll on investor confidence. Whereas renewals used to go live on the platform showing to be 60-70% filled via rollover investments, nowadays the rollover percentage seems to be down to the 30-40% range. (That's what happened with Southampton and Carlisle this week.) mikes1531. Indeed I think you're right. I've sold most of what I had at FS leaving behind a long list of overdue loans. IMO this state of affairs forces up the discount to achieve a quick sale. The discounts I applied varied between -0.7 and -1.5, and in one case -2.0 to shift parts. In fairness a smaller discount may well have been achievable if I hadn't been in a hurry to sell. I'm still keeping a large chunk in one loan (1841601622, G********s E****e) because 15% is worth a gamble. I hope I don't land on my nose.
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Post by duck on Feb 18, 2017 9:25:33 GMT
ISTM that something -- probably FS's long list of overdue loans -- is taking a toll on investor confidence. Whereas renewals used to go live on the platform showing to be 60-70% filled via rollover investments, nowadays the rollover percentage seems to be down to the 30-40% range. (That's what happened with Southampton and Carlisle this week.) Whilst my contribution to loans may be 0.0001% I have changed my 'policy' towards renewals over the past year. Previously I auto rolled a fair number now I prefer to let the loan run its course and then reassess. I check my previous notes and then see what has changed. Some loans I don't reinvest in but those that I do reinvest in usually have larger funding than at the initial stage. This increase in funding has happened several times in the past week. With auto roll I had a couple of occurrences that made me think 'why did I roll that over?' Yes it has created a bit more work but if you don't look at a loan for 6 months and just auto roll IMHO you are asking for problems. For example loans where PP is the aim, after 6 months there should be some evidence of 'progress' .......
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