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Post by loftankerman on May 12, 2018 8:14:24 GMT
It seems to me (on my very limited reading of this loan), that it was/is potentially fraudulent. There's a coincidence... I had just returned to looking at this forum and found your post after having a browse of the Serious Fraud Office dedicated web site.
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Post by SteveT on May 12, 2018 8:50:48 GMT
It seems to me (on my very limited reading of this loan), that it was/is potentially fraudulent. Were that the case, surely Lendy would have every interest in reporting the borrower to the Police (what better way to deflect lenders' ire?). Have you asked Lendy whether there is evidence of it being "potentially fraudulent"? Or are you suggesting that Lendy are complicit in the "potential fraud"? In which case, I'd say it's the Police you'd need to speak to, rather than the FOS.
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Post by rocky1 on May 12, 2018 9:25:10 GMT
i dont think lendy would go that far but i do feel that even if the FOS maladministration become involved it can only be for the better.it is not just this loan where something is seriously wrong and it is not just this platform who are behaving in this way.agreeing to T@Cs does not give them a licence to do whatever they feel with lenders funds [or does it] many loans past and presently are causing great concern and if you look at the non performing/claims underway loans there is just no way that severe capital losses are not going to happen.
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Post by puddleduck on May 12, 2018 9:37:49 GMT
This is going to be a very unpopular post, but there are far too many posters here who practice an 'expect losses, but diversify' so will throw money at ANY loan, no matter how dodgy it looks.
I'm sorry but this is just enabling what looks to me like a calculated fraud attempt (or sale by pawn if you want to be charitable) - people need to have a long hard look at this, because I think there is an ethical issue as well as well as a straighforward financial issue.
It's not JUST about expecting losses, or loans to go bad - some loans should not be funded - they don't pass the smell tests. I'd like to think that people have a sense of ethics and a sense of responsibility not to throw money at this sort of thing, but sadly it appears far too many people act as enablers. The signs were all there in the first couple of pages!
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Post by SteveT on May 12, 2018 9:51:16 GMT
i dont think lendy would go that far but i do feel that even if the FOS maladministration become involved it can only be for the better.it is not just this loan where something is seriously wrong and it is not just this platform who are behaving in this way.agreeing to T@Cs does not give them a licence to do whatever they feel with lenders funds [or does it] many loans past and presently are causing great concern and if you look at the non performing/claims underway loans there is just no way that severe capital losses are not going to happen. The FOS only rule on the merits of specific complaints that are referred to them. However, you'd hope the FCA might eventually pick up on a series of FOS rulings against the same company. My concern would rather be the opposite; the consequences of a series of ineffective complaints being batted away by the FOS, and platforms feeling absolved of any responsibility when lenders are taken in by rogue borrowers. I have my complaint already drafted about fundingsecure 's Whitehaven loan (where FS specifically informed their lenders that they'd visited and inspected a development site themselves and seen things that subsequently it became clear weren't there) but there's no point my starting the complaint process until I can quantify the "loss and damage" that I have suffered as a direct consequence of their gross negligence.
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Post by loftankerman on May 12, 2018 10:15:28 GMT
This is going to be a very unpopular post, but there are far too many posters here who practice an 'expect losses, but diversify' so will throw money at ANY loan, no matter how dodgy it looks. I'm sorry but this is just enabling what looks to me like a calculated fraud attempt (or sale by pawn if you want to be charitable) - people need to have a long hard look at this, because I think there is an ethical issue as well as well as a straighforward financial issue. It's not JUST about expecting losses, or loans to go bad - some loans should not be funded - they don't pass the smell tests. I'd like to think that people have a sense of ethics and a sense of responsibility not to throw money at this sort of thing, but sadly it appears far too many people act as enablers. The signs were all there in the first couple of pages! Let's face it, that doesn't just describe what might be the attitude of some posters but Lendy themselves. Setting out your market stall geared to selling the notion of investing in pipe dreams to optimists has to appeal to the unscrupulous above all.
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Post by bugs4me on May 12, 2018 10:18:22 GMT
The FOS only rule on the merits of specific complaints that are referred to them. However, you'd hope the FCA might eventually pick up on a series of FOS rulings against the same company. My concern would rather be the opposite; the consequences of a series of ineffective complaints being batted away by the FOS, and platforms feeling absolved of any responsibility when lenders are taken in by rogue borrowers.
I have my complaint already drafted about fundingsecure 's Whitehaven loan (where FS specifically informed their lenders that they'd visited and inspected a development site themselves and seen things that subsequently it became clear weren't there) but there's no point my starting the complaint process until I can quantify the "loss and damage" that I have suffered as a direct consequence of their gross negligence. It's not just lenders that may be taken in by rogue borrowers it's the platforms themselves who have every financial incentive not to be transparent when offering loans to investors. There is absolutely no disincentive for the platforms to operate differently until they are held liable for failing to protect investors funds.
Reading platform T's&C's then they are not liable for anything and all losses, irrespective as to how they occurred, are borne by the investors. The platforms can do whatever they wish and until things change on the regulatory front I cannot see things improving. This forum is littered with examples of loans that should never have been offered in the first place. Do the platforms care? - nope springs to mind.
We can vent our anger, frustrations, etc around these parts but the reality is we're dealing with the wild west. It is tantamount to giving the fox complete autonomy to guard the henhouse.
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Post by brightspark on May 12, 2018 10:47:12 GMT
This loan has got a very nasty taste to it. Should be investigated by the FCA. How do we go about making this happen? The procedure is straightforward and suitable for a lay person to follow. A question is how much of your own time are you prepared to devote to a claim which may involve a relatively small amount of your money and a claim which you could well lose. Every let out known to the financial world is available to the platform. A second question is if lots of individuals submit similar claims Lendy might go out of business leaving investors stranded a la Collateral. I don't think there is a solution. My response is to give up on the platform - I am currently pretty well trapped in a residual 8 loans including this dog but no more Lendy for me - No more FC and no more FS either for that matter. The P to P industry has moved away from its initial idealism and matured but not in a healthy way. Too many borrowers and some platform operators have no integrity. Unfortunately the larger the sums involved the worse it seems to become. The government has contributed to this by creating a toothless and under resourced regulator. Old school city institutions must be rubbing their hands with glee as they sit on the sidelines watching the death throes of this upstart competition.
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Post by rocky1 on May 12, 2018 11:09:57 GMT
there is a lot more to worry about than lendy paying £550 per complaint.
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Post by mrclondon on May 12, 2018 16:58:05 GMT
There's a marketing website available at http://www.**H***rR*w.com . You can register with any old details as it lets you straight in. A pertinant statement from the pdf broucher states: A copy of the notices and various planning documents are available to download on the site. The main public facing page on Alls*p's website now has the property marked as "Withdrawn" so anyone interested in obtaining copies of the extensive documentation available on the dedicated marketing website would be advised to do so sooner rather than later in case they disappear. The main details have been summarised on DD Central (along with the unredacted url) for those with access.
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Post by debaura on May 14, 2018 15:28:23 GMT
27/04/2018 we are confident of a deal being achieved.
11/05/2018 No settlement has been reached with the borrower.
Where's the confidence now? Gone, like ours in this platform.
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Post by adrianc on May 14, 2018 17:30:52 GMT
This is going to be a very unpopular post, but there are far too many posters here who practice an 'expect losses, but diversify' so will throw money at ANY loan, no matter how dodgy it looks. I'm sorry but this is just enabling what looks to me like a calculated fraud attempt (or sale by pawn if you want to be charitable) - people need to have a long hard look at this, because I think there is an ethical issue as well as well as a straighforward financial issue. It's not JUST about expecting losses, or loans to go bad - some loans should not be funded - they don't pass the smell tests. I'd like to think that people have a sense of ethics and a sense of responsibility not to throw money at this sort of thing, but sadly it appears far too many people act as enablers. The signs were all there in the first couple of pages! I don't see "doing decent DD" and "expect losses" as mutually incompatible, far from it.
Doing DD is essential to try and minimise your losses - but, just as there's going to be false positives (loans that you avoid, but come good), it's inevitable there's going to be false negatives (loans that you think'll be fine, but aren't).
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Post by brightspark on May 15, 2018 19:07:19 GMT
Does anyone have a clear idea of what is happening to this loan? It seems to be with LPA Receivers and was subsequently up for sale with Allsops and then withdrawn. Meanwhile Lendy was continuing to negotiate with the borrowers in regard to repayment of this and another loan (DFL016). Lendy are now saying that litigation will be required to recover the outstanding capital, accrued interest and bonus accrual. Lendy doesn't say why any negotiations have collapsed nor who is going to litigate onlenders behalf and the mechanism for paying for the litigation and how much it could cost. Neither do they explain who they are going to litigate against - I think the ultimate borrowers are in the BVI so could be problematic. The wheels seem to be turning excruciatingly slowly if at all. Again there has been speculation on the forum that the valuation was highly (hopelessly?) optimistic. In conclusion a b*****s muddle - is this the case?
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Post by rocky1 on May 16, 2018 4:48:15 GMT
was anything actually done on this project or did lendy just give them £7 million+.who/where was our money transferred to and in such a short time everything went pear shaped.why are lendy messing about here.never mind the the FCA the way lendy are throwing our money around the world out of reach we will need the FBI.surely there must have been a bit of fraudulent activity going on here.i just cant work lendy out nothing surprises me any more
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Post by gaspilot on May 16, 2018 10:18:48 GMT
Does anyone have a clear idea of what is happening to this loan? It seems to be with LPA Receivers and was subsequently up for sale with Allsops and then withdrawn. Meanwhile Lendy was continuing to negotiate with the borrowers in regard to repayment of this and another loan (DFL016). Lendy are now saying that litigation will be required to recover the outstanding capital, accrued interest and bonus accrual. Lendy doesn't say why any negotiations have collapsed nor who is going to litigate onlenders behalf and the mechanism for paying for the litigation and how much it could cost. Neither do they explain who they are going to litigate against - I think the ultimate borrowers are in the BVI so could be problematic. The wheels seem to be turning excruciatingly slowly if at all. Again there has been speculation on the forum that the valuation was highly (hopelessly?) optimistic. In conclusion a b*****s muddle - is this the case? IIRC the auction site had withdrawn written on the website details. I can't see withdrawn on the website now. Has it been reinstated?
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