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Post by dmitry on Feb 20, 2017 7:41:11 GMT
Hello everyone! We’re glad to introduсe you our new platform “Robocash” ( robo.cash/), which gives you a unique opportunity to earn on investments into loans effectively. The main advantage of the platform is a guarantee of high interest income to 14% in case of the return repayment of investments. The majority of our loans for up to 1 month, therefore we provide a rapid turnover of the capital and high speed of investments management. Also we give an opportunity of automatic formation of the investment portfolio. These advantages will let you gain a higher income in comparison with the bank deposit and to be quicker than other investors, who invest money in P2P-sector. International company Robocash investment platform is united by one owner with the creditor companies and it is an indisputable advantage of the company. We have been successfully issuing loans in Spain, Russia and Kazakhstan more than 7 years. Today the group contains 5 companies numbering 750 staff. During this time more than 1,2 million loans have been issued and the number of the users who have undergone scoring is more than 2 million people. We invite you to join us and to be practically convinced in good results. We’re happy to answer all your questions.
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Post by kulerucket on Feb 20, 2017 14:17:34 GMT
Crikey another one!
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Post by southseacompany on Feb 20, 2017 15:02:48 GMT
Hello Dmitry. Good to hear. Having more investment options is always a good thing, especially since you are AFAIK the only way to invest in p2p in Kazakhstan.
Based on a quick look, it seems your corporate structure is quite similar to what one of your competitors, Twino, used to have. Namely, a parent company (Finabay in their case, FinTerra in yours) owns both a p2p platform company and lending companies in different countries, and the platform company (Twino in their case, Robocash in yours) is the one giving the buyback guarantee. Twino later performed a merger between parent and platform to simplify their structure and make the buyback guarantee more attractive. In a sense they have put their money where their mouth is since the entire group is on the line, should there be a sharp deterioration in credit quality.
To get an idea of the strength of the buyback guarantee, one would need some financial information about Robocash specifically rather than the consolidated group. Your group may be large and solid but for all I know Robocash could have $1000 of total equity.
My question arises naturally from the above: Do you have plans to publish more detailed (and audited) accounts for Robocash?
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Post by blahetal on Feb 20, 2017 16:44:30 GMT
Hello, just curious why is the max limited?
from FAQ : The maximum amount to be invested is 10 000 euros per year.
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Post by roedvin on Feb 21, 2017 9:00:44 GMT
I cannot find any available loans. Maybe I'm too stupid, but when I push Invest, I only get the Portfolio Creator.
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Post by sergeysedov on Feb 21, 2017 9:28:10 GMT
Hello, just curious why is the max limited? from FAQ : The maximum amount to be invested is 10 000 euros per year. Right now we put this limit of 10,000 EUR per year due to AML procedure. We need to understand the model and risks related with it and we will raise this limit in future for sure.
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Post by sergeysedov on Feb 21, 2017 9:46:01 GMT
I cannot find any available loans. Maybe I'm too stupid, but when I push Invest, I only get the Portfolio Creator. We have only Portfolio Creator = Auto-invest tool, to simplify investment process. If you need any assistance(which is shame for us, we hope to create convenient tool) - please get in touch with our support team by phone: +371 (67) 88-15-14, webchat on web-site: robo.cash or Skype: "robo.cash support" to show your screen to our assistant, she will help you to create portofolio. Please tell us how we can make in more convenient, this will help us to improve! Thank you in advance!
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Post by roedvin on Feb 21, 2017 9:53:24 GMT
I cannot find any available loans. Maybe I'm too stupid, but when I push Invest, I only get the Portfolio Creator. We have only Portfolio Creator = Auto-invest tool, to simplify investment process. If you need any assistance(which is shame for us, we hope to create convenient tool) - please get in touch with our support team by phone: +371 (67) 88-15-14, webchat on web-site: robo.cash or Skype: "robo.cash support" to show your screen to our assistant, she will help you to create portofolio. Please tell us how we can make in more convenient, this will help us to improve! Thank you in advance! That does not correspond to your FAQ's! How to chose a loan to invest in sounds different from what you just said.
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Post by dmitry on Feb 21, 2017 12:48:49 GMT
Hello Dmitry. Good to hear. Having more investment options is always a good thing, especially since you are AFAIK the only way to invest in p2p in Kazakhstan. Based on a quick look, it seems your corporate structure is quite similar to what one of your competitors, Twino, used to have. Namely, a parent company (Finabay in their case, FinTerra in yours) owns both a p2p platform company and lending companies in different countries, and the platform company (Twino in their case, Robocash in yours) is the one giving the buyback guarantee. Twino later performed a merger between parent and platform to simplify their structure and make the buyback guarantee more attractive. In a sense they have put their money where their mouth is since the entire group is on the line, should there be a sharp deterioration in credit quality. To get an idea of the strength of the buyback guarantee, one would need some financial information about Robocash specifically rather than the consolidated group. Your group may be large and solid but for all I know Robocash could have $1000 of total equity. My question arises naturally from the above: Do you have plans to publish more detailed (and audited) accounts for Robocash? Hello! The scheme of ROBOCASH SIA work is similar to TWINO’s before they have performed merger between parent and a platform. ROBOCASH SIA does not have equity itself, but the law structure and cooperation agreements concluded between Loan Originators (creditors) and ROBOCASH SIA grant to the Investor right to get invested funds and calculated interest from the Loan Originators. In case where the Borrower delays the Loan repayment for more than 30 (thirty) calendar days ROBOCASH SIA transfers to the Client the amount equal to the sum of invested funds and accrued outstanding interest. The Investor is released from the necessity to communicate to the Borrower and collect the debt. All duties mentioned above undertakes the Loan Originator. Regarding your question on audited reports, we would like to inform you, that ROBOCASH SIA will publish the audited report for year 2017, as soon as it will be possible. As concerns the group’s companies, the unaudited report shall be published during 2 (two) months.
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Post by Maestro on Feb 21, 2017 17:32:26 GMT
Hello Dmitry. Good to hear. Having more investment options is always a good thing, especially since you are AFAIK the only way to invest in p2p in Kazakhstan. Based on a quick look, it seems your corporate structure is quite similar to what one of your competitors, Twino, used to have. Namely, a parent company (Finabay in their case, FinTerra in yours) owns both a p2p platform company and lending companies in different countries, and the platform company (Twino in their case, Robocash in yours) is the one giving the buyback guarantee. Twino later performed a merger between parent and platform to simplify their structure and make the buyback guarantee more attractive. In a sense they have put their money where their mouth is since the entire group is on the line, should there be a sharp deterioration in credit quality. To get an idea of the strength of the buyback guarantee, one would need some financial information about Robocash specifically rather than the consolidated group. Your group may be large and solid but for all I know Robocash could have $1000 of total equity. My question arises naturally from the above: Do you have plans to publish more detailed (and audited) accounts for Robocash? Hello! The scheme of ROBOCASH SIA work is similar to TWINO’s before they have performed merger between parent and a platform. ROBOCASH SIA does not have equity itself, but the law structure and cooperation agreements concluded between Loan Originators (creditors) and ROBOCASH SIA grant to the Investor right to get invested funds and calculated interest from the Loan Originators. In case where the Borrower delays the Loan repayment for more than 30 (thirty) calendar days ROBOCASH SIA transfers to the Client the amount equal to the sum of invested funds and accrued outstanding interest. The Investor is released from the necessity to communicate to the Borrower and collect the debt. All duties mentioned above undertakes the Loan Originator. Regarding your question on audited reports, we would like to inform you, that ROBOCASH SIA will publish the audited report for year 2017, as soon as it will be possible. As concerns the group’s companies, the unaudited report shall be published during 2 (two) months. Hi dmitryI think you have missed the point raised by southseacompany. If ROBOCASH SIA doesn't have the equity, how is it going to guarantee buybacks? I would need to see the audited financial reports, and also guarantee from the parent company before investing..
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Post by sergeysedov on Feb 22, 2017 2:08:31 GMT
We have only Portfolio Creator = Auto-invest tool, to simplify investment process. If you need any assistance(which is shame for us, we hope to create convenient tool) - please get in touch with our support team by phone: +371 (67) 88-15-14, webchat on web-site: robo.cash or Skype: "robo.cash support" to show your screen to our assistant, she will help you to create portofolio. Please tell us how we can make in more convenient, this will help us to improve! Thank you in advance! That does not correspond to your FAQ's! How to chose a loan to invest in sounds different from what you just said. We will update our FAQ to better reflect that we have only auto-invest tool, no manual investing
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Post by sergeysedov on Feb 22, 2017 3:50:55 GMT
Hello! The scheme of ROBOCASH SIA work is similar to TWINO’s before they have performed merger between parent and a platform. ROBOCASH SIA does not have equity itself, but the law structure and cooperation agreements concluded between Loan Originators (creditors) and ROBOCASH SIA grant to the Investor right to get invested funds and calculated interest from the Loan Originators. In case where the Borrower delays the Loan repayment for more than 30 (thirty) calendar days ROBOCASH SIA transfers to the Client the amount equal to the sum of invested funds and accrued outstanding interest. The Investor is released from the necessity to communicate to the Borrower and collect the debt. All duties mentioned above undertakes the Loan Originator. Regarding your question on audited reports, we would like to inform you, that ROBOCASH SIA will publish the audited report for year 2017, as soon as it will be possible. As concerns the group’s companies, the unaudited report shall be published during 2 (two) months. Hi dmitry I think you have missed the point raised by southseacompany . If ROBOCASH SIA doesn't have the equity, how is it going to guarantee buybacks? I would need to see the audited financial reports, and also guarantee from the parent company before investing.. The legal scheme described by Dmitriy is made to protect investors by guarantee of Loan Originator who obliged to buyback the loan if its overdue for 30 days. So basically you do have guarantee from the Loan Originator that he will buy back the loan. For one of our companies we've passed rating procedure by major Russian rating agency(i'm sorry it's on Russian only, some key figures: assets 11,300,000 EUR, net profit for 9M 2016 740,000 EUR) raexpert.ru/releases/2017/Jan26a/Let me share some details, there are 4 Loan Originators in our group: FinTerra - offline loan originator, since 2010, 175+ branches in Russia, more than 600 employees. Products: offline PDL, collateral loans. Zaymer.ru - online loan originator, since 2013, more than 200000 borrowers, more than 100 employees. Products: online PDL Zaimer.kz - online & offline loan originator, since 2015, more than 100 employees. Products: online PDL, offline PDL Prestamer.es - online loan originator, since 2016. Products: online PDL I'm founder and owner of these companies. I saw the model Peer2Portfolio to fund our operations and founded ROBOCASH SIA in Latvia in November 2016 to attract investments. I'm doing lending business for more than 6 years, all these years i was always looking for money to fuel our growth. The best guarantee for investor is profitable business behind P2P i assume. For our group of companies attract money for 14-16% p.a. is a good option(even with currency risk we take), we hope to lower to market average of 11% in year or two(depends on market of course). Attachments:
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Post by southseacompany on Feb 22, 2017 15:07:34 GMT
Thanks for the explanation sergeysedov . Clause 1.3 of the assignment agreement says that in case of delay "ROBOCASH undertakes to repurchase the Claim ..." so it is not obvious to me that as investor I would have any kind of claim against the originator (Zaimer/Zaymer/Prestamer) regarding the repurchase guarantee. Maybe I haven't read it carefully enough or maybe you should rephrase it if the buyback is actually guaranteed by the originator. Just for the record, I am not suggesting any bad faith or intention to mislead on your part. It's just that the strength of the buyback is the primary risk I have to consider. As a loan investor, my upside is capped and well defined, so I have to focus due diligence on the downside. Since there is substantially no information available about the borrowers, I must look at the parties giving the buyback guarantees. During benign conditions when everyone is making profits, I don't expect big problems with buybacks. The big question is what happens in case of a major disruption of lending industry, a "Lehman moment" if you will. In case of Twino, the parent company guarantees all buybacks regardless of country of origination, and that company's financial statements are available online. From my perspective that is the "gold standard". In other cases, for example Creditstar (a loan originator on the Mintos platform), the buyback guarantee is given by the originator company, which is different in each country they operate in, and for some countries financial reports are nowhere to be found. In this case I have to apply a risk premium to the interest rate I'd be willing to accept due to the lack of visibility into financials. In your case I have likewise no access to financial reports, but it is also not even 100% clear which company or companies stand behind the guarantee. Finally, about this in your report: "размер капитала и резервов - 92,9 млн руб". At the risk of asking something really stupid, is the dash or hyphen on the line part of normal Russian punctuation for this sentence or is it a minus sign?
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Post by sergeysedov on Feb 23, 2017 9:29:55 GMT
Thanks for the explanation sergeysedov . Clause 1.3 of the assignment agreement says that in case of delay "ROBOCASH undertakes to repurchase the Claim ..." so it is not obvious to me that as investor I would have any kind of claim against the originator (Zaimer/Zaymer/Prestamer) regarding the repurchase guarantee. Maybe I haven't read it carefully enough or maybe you should rephrase it if the buyback is actually guaranteed by the originator. Just for the record, I am not suggesting any bad faith or intention to mislead on your part. It's just that the strength of the buyback is the primary risk I have to consider. As a loan investor, my upside is capped and well defined, so I have to focus due diligence on the downside. Since there is substantially no information available about the borrowers, I must look at the parties giving the buyback guarantees. During benign conditions when everyone is making profits, I don't expect big problems with buybacks. The big question is what happens in case of a major disruption of lending industry, a "Lehman moment" if you will. In case of Twino, the parent company guarantees all buybacks regardless of country of origination, and that company's financial statements are available online. From my perspective that is the "gold standard". In other cases, for example Creditstar (a loan originator on the Mintos platform), the buyback guarantee is given by the originator company, which is different in each country they operate in, and for some countries financial reports are nowhere to be found. In this case I have to apply a risk premium to the interest rate I'd be willing to accept due to the lack of visibility into financials. In your case I have likewise no access to financial reports, but it is also not even 100% clear which company or companies stand behind the guarantee. Finally, about this in your report: "размер капитала и резервов - 92,9 млн руб". At the risk of asking something really stupid, is the dash or hyphen on the line part of normal Russian punctuation for this sentence or is it a minus sign? Thank you for your questions! We will check mentioned clause and rephrase it, i will update you as soon as we do it. You are definitely right, you have to measure your risks. Major disruption of lending industry - it might happen on a single local market, it actually happened in past in UK few years ago and in Georgia few month ago. There is definitely such risk for every market participant. But if you are working on different markets in different countries your results as a group of companies do not that addicted to such major disruptions in local markets(its very unlikely but possible a major disruption on all markets in the same time). For that reason too we have expanded our business to Kazakhstan and Spain, and we are continuing our operations in Russia. I agree that "gold standard" should be like that, and i understand your point regarding risk premium to the interest rate. Right now we put 14% p.a. interest rate for investors, its above average interest rate for industry Peer2Portfolio(PDL). We will definitely make things clear with which company stand behind the guarantee. Regarding the report - you are right, its a hyphen, we do have equity in all our companies Loan Originators.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 10:32:43 GMT
Posting here, since the representatives seem to be replying on this thread. 1. When you've completed registration, you don't get automated acknowledgement of successfully being registered. 2. You might want to allow uploading PDF copies of documents for verification, rather than just image files. 3. T&C 2.1.4 " The User has a current account opened in the name of the User with a credit establishment registered in Latvia, branch of a foreign credit establishment in Latvia or any other EU credit establishment;"So does that mean you won't take money if sent via TransferWise or likes of them?4. T&C 6.13. "The User agrees that the Lender has the right unilaterally to extend the Loan repayment period without prior coordination with the User. The procedure of the repayment period extension foresees payment of the calculated Interest by the Borrower and/or the payment by the Borrower of the fee for the Loan repayment period extension." How many extensions are you guys planning to give before the buy back kicks in ? One of your competitor, Twino, for instance, allows maximum of 6 extensions. (1 extension = 1 month)5. T&C 7.1.4. "immediately, but no later than within 3 (three) business days, to notify ROBOCASH in writing of any changes to the User’s first name, last name, e-mail address, User’s bank account or other information provided on the Website of ROBOCASH;"Surely, I should be able to tell you guys about it, only when I need to, aka, withdrawal time?6. T&C 10.2.3. " ROBOCASH is fully released from liability towards the User for any losses that the User has or might suffer as a result of using the Website of ROBOCASH or purchase the Claim, including: 10.2.3.5.due to the illicit conduct of the Borrower and due to Borrower infringing the Loan Agreement;"
why would Robocash be released from liability towards user (investor) when it provides buyback guarantee?7. T&C 10.2.4. "ROBOCASH does not have the duty to pay for the Claim or any other payments under the Assignment Agreement to the User before the Lender has received corresponding payment from the relevant Borrower."Shouldn't buyback guarantee mean Robocash has a duty to pay to investor, even when they don't receive payment from borrowers?8. 13.4. "In case of insolvency, ROBOCASH undertakes all reasonable actions to ensure that the competent third party takes over in full the administration and serviсing of the Claims available on the Website of ROBOCASH. ROBOCASH shall inform all Users about it" Has a third party been nominated? Who will be acting as an administrator? Who will be responsible for payments towards administrator ?
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