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Post by jomantha on Mar 10, 2017 23:40:58 GMT
I have come to the conclusion I have too much money in SS - I am totally new to P2P lending - (well I tried a minimal investment in FC and got out of there PDQ) - from reading in here I am beginning to see most people spread their investments and also make better use of ISAs (I think).
I don't have a massive amount based on what I see from here other people have, but I don't want to lose it either. At the moment it is all in 11-12% loans and I sell on at the latest 70 days before due.
But I have had a huge wake up call today and want to spread my portfolio a bit.
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Post by GeorgeT on Mar 10, 2017 23:52:45 GMT
Your investment strategy sounds like a good one to me and not dissimilar to mine. I am also exclusively in 11 or 12% loans and I also have a sell-out point of about two months to run. That reduces the risks somewhat. However we can never eradicate the bigger risk of platform failure or meltdown or panic or fraud and like you I reached a conclusion a few months ago that I had too much money in SS
That is why I am managing a phased reduction in my exposure to this platform and exploring other opportunities and I would urge you to do the same.
If your situation is such that were you to lose a substantial proportion of the money you have invested in ss it would cause you problems and hardship then I would strongly recommend you to look at reducing your investments and looking at other platforms and also ensuring you have a decent proportion of your wealth in protected safe places like bank accounts.
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 11, 2017 0:09:21 GMT
I have come to the conclusion I have too much money in SS - I am totally new to P2P lending - (well I tried a minimal investment in FC and got out of there PDQ) - from reading in here I am beginning to see most people spread their investments and also make better use of ISAs (I think). I don't have a massive amount based on what I see from here other people have, but I don't want to lose it either. At the moment it is all in 11-12% loans and I sell on at the latest 70 days before due. But I have had a huge wake up call today and want to spread my portfolio a bit. Currently favourite is Moneything -10-12%, excellent customer service, nearly instant deposits, SM as liquid as SS, but bit limited loan flow currently, property, cars, pawn, no prefunding but max invest sizes for 48hrs, all loans at 4pm. Monthly interest Also FS 12-13%, property & pawn, interest at term, SM more complicated than others and make sure you understand tax implications, good loan flow, handling of defaults/comms has been criticised much like SS, reasonable quick deposits, no prefund but max investments for 24hrs £25min Collateral - 12%, very similar to SS, mostly pawn, cars, recently property, liquid SM, fastest deposits, fairly new and some glitches, good comms, loan flow regularly but small size, prefunding and max invest. Monthly interest, quite new and some technical issues. Retained interest Ablrate 10-14% - secured SME, property, planes, good comms/info, complicated SM, limited loan flow, debit card instant deposit, no prefunding/max, monthly interest Landlordinvest - 9-11%, no SM, no prefund, deposits within 24hrs, very new so no loan flow yet. Retained interest, monthly, cash drag. £100 min All of these except LLI pay interest from time funds commited. These are the ones closest to SS in model
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Post by averageguy on Mar 11, 2017 0:25:06 GMT
Your investment strategy sounds like a good one to me and not dissimilar to mine. I am also exclusively in 11 or 12% loans and I also have a sell-out point of about two months to run. That reduces the risks somewhat. However we can never eradicate the bigger risk of platform failure or meltdown or panic or fraud and like you I reached a conclusion a few months ago that I had too much money in SS That is why I am managing a phased reduction in my exposure to this platform and exploring other opportunities and I would urge you to do the same. If your situation is such that were you to lose a substantial proportion of the money you have invested in ss it would cause you problems and hardship then I would strongly recommend you to look at reducing your investments and looking at other platforms and also ensuring you have a decent proportion of your wealth in protected safe places like bank accounts. Re that second paragraph...just because you are reducing should you really be advising him to do likewise? He'd asked about alternative opportunities....or are you a qualified financial advisor?
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Post by averageguy on Mar 11, 2017 0:26:40 GMT
I have come to the conclusion I have too much money in SS - I am totally new to P2P lending - (well I tried a minimal investment in FC and got out of there PDQ) - from reading in here I am beginning to see most people spread their investments and also make better use of ISAs (I think). I don't have a massive amount based on what I see from here other people have, but I don't want to lose it either. At the moment it is all in 11-12% loans and I sell on at the latest 70 days before due. But I have had a huge wake up call today and want to spread my portfolio a bit. Currently favourite is Moneything -10-12%, excellent customer service, nearly instant deposits, SM as liquid as SS, but bit limited loan flow currently, property, cars, pawn, no prefunding but max invest sizes for 48hrs, all loans at 4pm. Monthly interest Also FS 12-13%, property & pawn, interest at term, SM more complicated than others and make sure you understand tax implications, good loan flow, handling of defaults/comms has been criticised much like SS, reasonable quick deposits, no prefund but max investments for 24hrs £25min Collateral - 12%, very similar to SS, mostly pawn, cars, recently property, liquid SM, fastest deposits, fairly new and some glitches, good comms, loan flow regularly but small size, prefunding and max invest. Monthly interest, quite new and some technical issues. Retained interest Ablrate 10-14% - secured SME, property, planes, good comms/info, complicated SM, limited loan flow, debit card instant deposit, no prefunding/max, monthly interest Landlordinvest - 9-11%, no SM, no prefund, deposits within 24hrs, very new so no loan flow yet. Retained interest, monthly, cash drag. £100 min All of these except LLI pay interest from time funds commited. These are the ones closest to SS in model useful info imho
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Post by jomantha on Mar 11, 2017 0:37:18 GMT
I have come to the conclusion I have too much money in SS - I am totally new to P2P lending - (well I tried a minimal investment in FC and got out of there PDQ) - from reading in here I am beginning to see most people spread their investments and also make better use of ISAs (I think). I don't have a massive amount based on what I see from here other people have, but I don't want to lose it either. At the moment it is all in 11-12% loans and I sell on at the latest 70 days before due. But I have had a huge wake up call today and want to spread my portfolio a bit. Currently favourite is Moneything -10-12%, excellent customer service, nearly instant deposits, SM as liquid as SS, but bit limited loan flow currently, property, cars, pawn, no prefunding but max invest sizes for 48hrs, all loans at 4pm. Monthly interest Also FS 12-13%, property & pawn, interest at term, SM more complicated than others and make sure you understand tax implications, good loan flow, handling of defaults/comms has been criticised much like SS, reasonable quick deposits, no prefund but max investments for 24hrs £25min Collateral - 12%, very similar to SS, mostly pawn, cars, recently property, liquid SM, fastest deposits, fairly new and some glitches, good comms, loan flow regularly but small size, prefunding and max invest. Monthly interest, quite new and some technical issues. Retained interest Ablrate 10-14% - secured SME, property, planes, good comms/info, complicated SM, limited loan flow, debit card instant deposit, no prefunding/max, monthly interest Landlordinvest - 9-11%, no SM, no prefund, deposits within 24hrs, very new so no loan flow yet. Retained interest, monthly, cash drag. £100 min All of these except LLI pay interest from time funds commited. These are the ones closest to SS in model Thank you - that is brilliant.
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Post by vmail on Mar 11, 2017 1:55:57 GMT
How much is too much?
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Post by jackpease on Mar 11, 2017 6:06:13 GMT
SS has been a victim of own success and its growing pains have been forensically analysed - see the platform post stats! Many have migrated to MT - 'limited loan availability' is a hilarious understatement! Other platforms mentioned (look at the platform stats) have not been tested either by becoming uber-popular, or uber-analysed, so for me SS remains a big part of my balanced portfolio.
All the current criticism is about people want to get money *in* to the platform - lots of forumites (rightly) squealing - which suggests that while many are fed up and leaving, many see rich pickings (which have been flushed out by SS's current failings). Once SS sort out instant funding, i reckon the secondary market will settle down again.
I've said it elsewhere but when Assetz had its early wobbly i moved into other glitzy platforms that subsequently wobbled.
Jack P
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Post by brokenbiscuits on Mar 11, 2017 8:02:42 GMT
Personally I have asset allocations across all my investments and I haven't breached those. So the most I allowed myself in savingstream is 15% of my total investments outside of property and pensions. Of course within the platform itself I diversify further by holding multiple loans too. I also sell down around 100 days and have found that even with the march changes, my 12% loans (I rarely even touch the 11% ones and never below 11%) sell instantly. I haven't tried to sell anything since the big 7.5m went up but to be fair by the time I look to sell again the current blockage is likely to have passed and even if it hasn't my 12% long term remaining loans are still likely to attract a lot of attention.
So, I have registered with moneything and collateral in the last 30 days but I'm still around 15% with savingstream right now and can't see that changing at this time.
I really like collateral but it's not going to be one you can get a significant amount of money into any time soon but it all helps with diversifying investments. Savingstream remains my main p2p site.
Edit- just had a tidy up. It's still instant to sell if you are selling 12% long term loans.
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Post by pom on Mar 11, 2017 8:33:55 GMT
Personally the thought of putting all my p2p money in one platform just fills me with horror (I'm currently looking to reduce my platforms from ~20, but I accept that level of diversity will not be for everyone!), but also as brokenbiscuits says it's less of an issue if it's only part of a much more diverse portfolio. But if p2p represents your only investments outside regular bank accounts then please please diversify asap! As to how many platforms that will probably depend on how big your pot is - there comes a point where if the amounts are too small it's not worth bothering with the extra effort of more and more platforms, so my view of it is decide how much you're comfy with having tied up in a single platform if for whatever reason you suddenly couldn't withdraw any of it instantly....and had to wait some unknown time to get it all back. That figure will then help you work out how many platforms you need to be aiming for, and then you'll likely need to add a few more to allow for changing your mind about some or not being able to get fully invested, or just the flexibility to move between different platforms depending on where the most interesting loans are. That's what I'm doing anyway, and whilst my platform limits have increased a fair bit over the last 2yrs, it's still a principle I'm going to stick with, however much I might be tempted to start investing a lot more in some of them. If you're not already keeping an eye on the general board it's worth doing so, diversity and strategies are regular posting subjects, and not everyone uses SS !!
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Post by debaura on Mar 11, 2017 8:51:55 GMT
What events today?
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Post by wiseclerk on Mar 11, 2017 9:13:39 GMT
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Post by debaura on Mar 11, 2017 9:21:43 GMT
Oh OK, thanks.
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Post by jomantha on Mar 11, 2017 11:50:02 GMT
Thank you everyone for your contributions, too much is a 5 figure sum, in 2 accounts, mine and the other halves but all in SS.
To lose it would mean to lose his early retirement, to leave it sat there doing nothing means the same - I only really stumbled into P2P, and to this forum even more recently and it is a mine of information.
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Post by ben on Mar 11, 2017 12:14:40 GMT
Thank you everyone for your contributions, too much is a 5 figure sum, in 2 accounts, mine and the other halves but all in SS. To lose it would mean to lose his early retirement, to leave it sat there doing nothing means the same - I only really stumbled into P2P, and to this forum even more recently and it is a mine of information. To jump straight into SS is probably not the best option, at the moment the times are pretty good and the secondary market is giving lots of people confidence to invest to much without understanding the risks or what they are investing in, you only need to look at the panicking that happens whenever a fair amount lands on the secondary market, which is strange as no other site has this. If I was getting started in p2p I would be looking at the lower risk ones then looking at the higher risk ones afterwards. Lending Works, Ratesetter, Landbay are probably the lower risk ones, but they also get lower returns.
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