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Post by peerlessperil on Mar 21, 2017 0:30:26 GMT
I second SteveT 's concerns over default interest. The Deal Room does not appear to contain the necessary Finance Documents to ascertain what the "additional interest received under the terms of the Loan pursuant to an Event of Default" might be, although I note that any additional interest is only payable after the Company and the Platform's various (and unlimited) costs anyway.... There appears to be nothing in the bond instrument doc that penalises the borrower for extending the loan beyond September. The Loan agreement may contain terms that encourage the borrower to repay promptly, but we do not have sight of that at present. The bond terms only begin to bite once the bond remains outstanding beyond its legal maturity of Feb 2018. The "Default and Acceleration" clauses in the Dealroom do not address this matter. charles - could we have clarification please, or post the relevant Finance Docs in the dealroom. This is not a question of your technical expertise, it is a question of making adequate disclosure. Given PropertyCrowd bondholders won't be able to outvote Reditum now the spit is 52.5/47.5 (in the practical sense, as getting 50% of 52.5% to vote would be remarkable), and Reditum have an interest in protecting the junior loan, bondholders need to know exactly what they are buying?
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Post by charles on Mar 21, 2017 13:17:36 GMT
SteveT , peerlessperil , apologies for the delay, but I've just received a reply from our legal advisers: There are 3 layers to the deal structure: 1. Underlying loan facility to Borrower 2. Syndication facility with Principal Lender 3. Bond Issue by SPV Under the terms of our general partnership with this particular Principal Lender and their arrangements: Under [1] default interest at +1% per month is payable by the borrower Under [2], default interest of +1% per annum is payable to participant lenders in the syndication [2] but only if funds have been received from [1] but not accordingly paid out in [2] Under [3] - which is essentially what matters to you as a bondholder, default interest is payable only for the period after the bond maturity date of Feb 2018 should the bond not be redeemed in full on or before the bond maturity date and refers to any default interest amounts received under [2], after reasonable costs. Regards, Charles
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Post by SteveT on Mar 21, 2017 13:32:26 GMT
Thanks charles. Actually I am mostly interested in 1). If the borrower is contractually obliged to pay an extra 1% per month to the Principal Lender to extend the loan beyond 7th September then they'll have a pretty strong financial incentive to repay on time. I could already see from the Bond Term Sheet that no additional interest would be payable to us as bondholders, hence my wish to understand the repayment incentive from the borrower's perspective!
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Post by phil on Mar 21, 2017 13:32:46 GMT
The Deal Room does not appear to contain the necessary Finance Documents to ascertain what the "additional interest received under the terms of the Loan pursuant to an Event of Default" might be, although I note that any additional interest is only payable after the Company and the Platform's various (and unlimited) costs anyway.... I assumed when I invested in the Liverpool bond that the additional interest after maturity date is simply a continuation of the IRR, in the case of Milton Keynes 10.20%. I assume the MK loan agreement may penalise at a higher rate after the repayment date but that doesn't affect the IRR on any bonds I may purchase. Edit: Sorry, I hadn't seen Charles explanation when I posted this.
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Post by charles on Mar 21, 2017 14:10:28 GMT
Given PropertyCrowd bondholders won't be able to outvote Reditum now the split is 52.5/47.5 (in the practical sense, as getting 50% of 52.5% to vote would be remarkable), and Reditum have an interest in protecting the junior loan, bondholders need to know exactly what they are buying? I would kindly refer you to the updated Default & Acceleration section in our deal room for details, but in essence no lender has voting control and all participants in the loan facility are bound by a pre-agreement in a scenario of default.
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Post by peerlessperil on Mar 21, 2017 21:08:13 GMT
The Default & Acceleration section only applies post default and most restructurings take place before default....
Sorry - the vote comment was a red herring as the Principal Lender is not exposed to the senior tranche via the SPV/bonds. It is presumably the syndication layer that determines the rights of the SPV vs Principal Lender. If it becomes necessary to restructure the Loan I would presume bondholders are passengers until the legal maturity date or actual default.
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Post by charles on Mar 28, 2017 4:21:22 GMT
Dear P2P Forum-ers,
The first close of our current live bond issue will take place tomorrow.
With subscriptions of nearly £400K to date and just over a week to go before the end of the 2016/17 tax year, we expect interest to pick up materially through the tax year change, as investors will no doubt be looking to take advantage of their ISA allowances.
As a reminder, the bond offers an annualised yield of 10.2% over a 6-month term, via exposure to a senior loan secured by first charge on a build-to-rent residential development.
Furthermore, the underlying senior loan benefits from a conservative gross loan-to-value (LTV) of 52.5% against the current full market value of the existing property.
If you would like to subscribe in time for this close and start accruing yield from 29 March, you will need to ensure that cleared funds are received by our Custodian by no later than 3pm tomorrow.
As always, please consider your investment carefully, but act quickly. Happy investing!
Kind regards Charles
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Post by d_saver on Mar 29, 2017 8:02:28 GMT
Might be a long wait for this one 
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Post by lendinglawyer on Apr 3, 2017 12:51:34 GMT
charles - not to be negative, but are you disappointed in the relatively low (in terms of availability) uptake on this offering? I can see why that might be (10.2% might only be attractive to people who have ISA allowances available, which will not be everyone at this point in the FY, and so maybe it'll uptick in the new FY in a few days time), but wondering if you had any other comments to make. Thanks.
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Post by charles on Apr 3, 2017 14:01:00 GMT
charles - not to be negative, but are you disappointed in the relatively low (in terms of availability) uptake on this offering? I can see why that might be (10.2% might only be attractive to people who have ISA allowances available, which will not be everyone at this point in the FY, and so maybe it'll uptick in the new FY in a few days time), but wondering if you had any other comments to make. Thanks. Hi lendinglawyer, I think take-up has been fairly solid, and in my opinion, 10.2% on senior secured debt @ 52.5% LTV is still a very attractive risk-adjusted return proposition regardless of whether it's held in an ISA or not. There is just over 3 weeks left before the final close, and we have moved to a weekly close so that investors will experience less cash drag between committing to invest and having the funds actually invested (and accruing yield). I am confident in our ability to get this deal fully funded, although each deal is underwritten and will therefore proceed regardless. Cheers, Charles
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Post by charles on Apr 11, 2017 13:35:57 GMT
Dear fellow P2P Forum members,
Since we introduced the Property Crowd ISA last month - enabling our investors to hold high yielding, asset-backed bonds in a tax-free ISA - we have received a surge of interest and the response has been most encouraging.
We would like to confirm that our ISA admin fees have now been finalised and we are delighted to announce that the charges will be less than originally advised at 0.95% per annum with no additional charge for transferring in an ISA from your existing provider.
Furthermore, we can confirm that those investors who made an investment through their Property Crowd ISA last month will also enjoy this reduced fee from inception.
You can transfer your existing cash, stocks and shares, or Innovative Finance ISA to a new Property Crowd ISA. If you wish to start this process, please contact us for further details.
Keep in mind that the annual ISA allowance increased to £20,000 on 6 April and you are free to increase your allocation in our current offer using this year’s allowance.
With weekly closes every Wednesday, your money gets put to work without undue delay.
As always, please consider your investment carefully, but act quickly. Happy investing!
Kind regards, Charles
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Post by lendinglawyer on Apr 14, 2017 6:55:09 GMT
Hi charlesGiven uptake is still "only" around 40%, I wondered if you had any further thoughts to the above? Have investors been saying why they haven't invested? Also at what point does PC give up and the underwriters cough up? Do you think this "failure" to fill your but will damage relationships with underwriters in future? By the way, I'm invested and tend to think this is indeed a good offering (especially when wrapped in an isa as I was able to do given I had loads of allowances left last year after raiding isas to buy my house!) I'm just interested more generally in the investor and underwriter dynamic here. Thanks
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Post by SteveT on Apr 14, 2017 7:16:50 GMT
In my experience (across multiple platforms over several years), most P2P lenders look first at the rate ... then lend or move on. Some will also look at the quoted LTV figure (without checking how it's been calculated). A minority are willing to invest time reading the valuation and any other supporting documents provided. Fewer still conduct any separate "due diligence" of their own. It's fair to assume that forum members are mostly in the latter 2 groups. This behaviour underpins my rule of thumb that lender demand roughly doubles with each 1% increase in rate. Hence a 10% loan is likely to fill roughly 4 times slower than a 12% loan (on the same platform). There are exceptions of course, and you can only really compare across similar asset classes, but it's pretty consistent across multiple platforms. Wierdly, things like whether the loan enjoys 1st or 2nd charge security have much less impact. Ps. There's a self-reinforcing aspect to this too. Many platforms, knowing how their lenders operate, tend to price to demand as well as risk. Hence a £250k secured loan at 60% LTV might be offered at 11% whilst a £1m loan with ostensibly identical security is offered at 12%. Even lenders who study both loans in detail are therefore minded to put more money against the 12% loan (I do this myself!)
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Post by phil on Apr 14, 2017 10:42:41 GMT
I agree, 12% is the "sweet spot" rate that attracts investors in bridging, it attracts my full attention and I'm usually keen to invest assuming a scan through the valuation report and a bit of google research on the property doesn't put me off. To be honest, a 12% rate makes me overlook any minor niggles I may have with the loan or the platform, it shouldn't but I'm afraid it does
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Post by locutus on Apr 14, 2017 15:03:55 GMT
We would like to confirm that our ISA admin fees have now been finalised and we are delighted to announce that the charges will be less than originally advised at 0.95% per annum with no additional charge for transferring in an ISA from your existing provider. I can give you some feedback on why I haven't invested. I'm looking for a home for ISA cash and I have looked on your website for the part that clearly describes the fees. I can't seem to find this crucial piece of information and life is too short for detective work when these figures should be front and centre. As a person with little spare time, trawling through P2P websites trying to find the most important information behind all the marketing guff is getting very tedious.
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