bugs4me
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Post by bugs4me on Apr 2, 2018 21:42:20 GMT
/mod hat off The borrower sold (some of) the asset (this is relating to DFL005), to whit the freehold (of the asset which which was securing our loan ..) for £X. They repaid a lesser amount £Y, Y<X, to the lenders (and provided, we are told, some extra security, to make up for the bit they sold), and took the remainder (£X-£Y) as 'working capital', probably to invest in one of their other projects (likely this one). We are left with the leasehold (hopefully with no 'ground rent .. doubles every 10 minutes' owing to whoever now owns the freehold) and the new asset (details somewhat lacking), whereas we were rather hoping for (and had repeatedly been promised) our cash back. Feel free to correct me anyone, if you feel I am veering off course here .. That about sums it up and whatever the LY T's&C's may state - new ones or old ones, investors feel they were 'bounced' into (probably) DFL019. Going over old ground but no one at LY asked/suggested/recommended/etc that any part of the repayment for 005 should go towards 019. It was just done but that's not what investors signed up to 005 for.
Hence it came across as arrogance and if they feel entitled to do it with this loan then it follows they may feel the same about other repayments. In theory, because that's how I now view projected repayment dates, there's a huge stack of redemption's due this month. If they or some come off there appears to be absolutely zilch investors can do about a repeat exercise.
Add-on as crossed with ilmoro - 'Meanwhile the security has been boosted by about £6m (orig 14-4 v now 16) but no valuation of the additional security (manor house) has been provided (previous 3.5-4m prior to completion)'
And we are expected to believe what LY state without any documentation. I've got a 'manor house' - my wife calls it a garden shed at the end of the garden!!
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MONEY
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Post by MONEY on Apr 3, 2018 12:07:54 GMT
T20's loan value revised:- (Revised) 3rd April 2018: (Original) 20th March 2018:
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Jeepers
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Post by Jeepers on Apr 3, 2018 14:28:03 GMT
So is the borrower just working with what he's got or seeking refinance? Seems odd that it's not been left open at least until people have decided on whether or not to invest their interest. Lendy Support
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rocky1
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Post by rocky1 on Apr 3, 2018 16:00:09 GMT
lots of ducking and diving goin on at LENDY towers this one will be going for another couple of years before we will get capital back. lots more of this to come i suspect throughout april with lenders funds getting rolled over here there and any where they feel like.nothing surprises me any more with these people.
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treeman
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Post by treeman on Apr 3, 2018 21:20:40 GMT
Seeing as CB on DFL019 T20 was paid today, maybe the **2% CASH BACK OFFER** should be removed from the listing to protect the unwary ?
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Post by treeman on Apr 3, 2018 21:45:24 GMT
Seeing as CB on DFL019 T20 was paid today, maybe the **2% CASH BACK OFFER** should be removed from the listing to protect the unwary ? Good call - tagging Lendy Support / Paul64 I've seen a couple of grand go through this evening - some folks may be disappointed..........
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Jeepers
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Post by Jeepers on Apr 3, 2018 23:17:21 GMT
Hopefully they've pulled the remainder of this tranche as they're planning to relaunch it around 14/04 When we've had circa £20 million repaid... hopefully
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Post by Jeepers on Apr 4, 2018 10:02:48 GMT
www.bainland.co.uk/Saw this park not too far away in Lincoln and it gave me hope that our site will be more than just a few sheds when it's finished. It's also making a profit of around £2.8m and appears to be much smaller than ours. Google: Bainland country park
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Post by blata on Apr 4, 2018 10:31:41 GMT
It will be nice when finished, dont mind waiting and pulling in the interest. Soon as a big payment comes in I will reinvest but as stated before only on what I feel safe-ish in. Gone are the days of the rush. Lendy do listen and I think they are between the devil and the deep blue sea. Cant give to much information legally but we want to know. Just a thought Why dont Lendy get a valuer nominated by the investors who can give an independent value of the sites/buildings and pass it on to us not the Lendy version, might help.
Build it in to the loan so we do not pay for it, might quieten us up.
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zedi
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Post by zedi on Apr 4, 2018 13:25:11 GMT
www.bainland.co.uk/Saw this park not too far away in Lincoln and it gave me hope that our site will be more than just a few sheds when it's finished. It's also making a profit of around £2.8m and appears to be much smaller than ours. Google: Bainland country park I know from my own experience/observations that these kind of holiday parks can run very well, even if the surroundings aren´t among the top tourist spots. The only thing I find strange here is that the borrower wants to start that big, he musst be very confident that demand is there.
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sl75
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Post by sl75 on Apr 5, 2018 8:52:55 GMT
I see that tranche 20 is STILL showing **2% CASH BACK OFFER**, and that any loan parts which are put up for sale are selling quickly as a result of this.
I was surprised that the cashback label was not removed at the same time as cashback was paid, but it's certainly very generous of Lendy to offer to pay cashback more than once on parts of the same tranche (once to the investors who held the loan parts on 3 April at the time the cashback was originally paid, and once more to anyone who purchased loan parts on the SM when the investors who had already received cashback offered them up for sale).
... at least I assume that's how Lendy will have to handle it rather than reneging on the cashback offer on the grounds that (unknown to the buyer) they already paid cashback to someone else.
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Post by sl75 on Apr 9, 2018 10:20:45 GMT
I see that tranche 20 is STILL showing **2% CASH BACK OFFER**, and that any loan parts which are put up for sale are selling quickly as a result of this. I was surprised that the cashback label was not removed at the same time as cashback was paid, but it's certainly very generous of Lendy to offer to pay cashback more than once on parts of the same tranche (once to the investors who held the loan parts on 3 April at the time the cashback was originally paid, and once more to anyone who purchased loan parts on the SM when the investors who had already received cashback offered them up for sale). ... at least I assume that's how Lendy will have to handle it rather than reneging on the cashback offer on the grounds that (unknown to the buyer) they already paid cashback to someone else. I note that some time after that post tranche 20 drew down and is no longer listed as a separate loan. Does anyone know if Lendy paid a further round of cashback to those who invested after the original round of cashback but before the loans were merged thereby removing advertised cash back marker? (or equivalently if those loan parts were retrospectively moved to tranche 21?) If not, has anyone sought justification from Lendy for their reneging on a clearly advertised deal that at least some buyers would have had no way of knowing was not supposed to have still been offered? If so, a similar situation still exists with PBL198, where new investors are still being promised 1% cashback despite this already having been paid to the original investors, and there've been plenty of transactions over the weekend...
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Post by hazellend on Apr 9, 2018 10:26:21 GMT
I see that tranche 20 is STILL showing **2% CASH BACK OFFER**, and that any loan parts which are put up for sale are selling quickly as a result of this. I was surprised that the cashback label was not removed at the same time as cashback was paid, but it's certainly very generous of Lendy to offer to pay cashback more than once on parts of the same tranche (once to the investors who held the loan parts on 3 April at the time the cashback was originally paid, and once more to anyone who purchased loan parts on the SM when the investors who had already received cashback offered them up for sale). ... at least I assume that's how Lendy will have to handle it rather than reneging on the cashback offer on the grounds that (unknown to the buyer) they already paid cashback to someone else. I note that some time after that post tranche 20 drew down and is no longer listed as a separate loan. Does anyone know if Lendy paid a further round of cashback to those who invested after the original round of cashback but before the loans were merged thereby removing advertised cash back marker? (or equivalently if those loan parts were retrospectively moved to tranche 21?) If not, has anyone sought justification from Lendy for their reneging on a clearly advertised deal that at least some buyers would have had no way of knowing was not supposed to have still been offered? If so, a similar situation still exists with PBL198, where new investors are still being promised 1% cashback despite this already having been paid to the original investors, and there've been plenty of transactions over the weekend... I don't know what's confusing about it?
If you invest in the further tranche you get further cashback.
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sl75
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Post by sl75 on Apr 9, 2018 12:11:44 GMT
I don't know what's confusing about it?
If you invest in the further tranche you get further cashback.
Indeed I have invested further funds into T21, but that was not the question. Loan parts of tranche 20 which were purchased before 3 April received cashback on 3 April. Lendy did NOT follow their previously established practice of immediately merging the new tranche with the main loan and/or removing the cash back offer label. From that moment on 3 April until at least some time after my post on 5 April (it was at least a day more, but I wasn't paying close enough attention to know exactly when drawdown occured), tranche 20 continued to have a separate listing on the SM, which still stated that buyers would receive 2% cashback, and this resulted in all loan parts offered for sale from T20 by lenders who had already received their cashback acheiving an almost instant sale, as the buyers reasonably expected to receive the advertised cashback, due to there being no indication on the tranche that it was not still eligible for cashback. (I'd wondered if any such buyers might be lurking here...) Did those buyers actually get the advertised cashback when the loan drew down (despite the sellers already having received cashback as well) or not? If not, how is Lendy explaining to those buyers that they are reneging on the deal that was clearly advertised at the time of their purchase. If so, a similar opportunity for 1% cash back still exists with any loan parts of PBL198 (where the original investors were also paid on 3 April), and if it still exists next time I've got spare cash in the account (and having reached my investment limit on T21), I may be tempted to take advantage of it if any becomes available! It appears to have been a mistake on Lendy's part not to remove the cash back label at the same time cash was paid, but I am hoping that Lendy themselves are paying for their own mistake (and undoubtedly changing their procedures to ensure it doesn't happen again), rather than further reducing the trust investors still have in them by finding some excuse to tell buyers that a cash back tag clearly advertising cash back doesn't necessarily mean they get cash back!
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Post by rocky1 on Apr 13, 2018 15:27:48 GMT
latest update on this loan makes good reading.planet lendy to planet earth.i have a large amount in this one from day 1 over ayear ago. sorry lendy no more from me until some of my capital is returned with interest. dfloo4 now where have we heard all this before.bunch of arrogant/ignorant people.[ not the description i really wanted to write]
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