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Post by GSV3MIaC on Nov 8, 2018 8:56:41 GMT
£15m (or £19m GDV?) is laughable, based on the photo shoots so far. Whoever makes the cabins or erects them must be doing very nicely. Perhaps we can sell it to the (fictional) Maplins for "Hi-de-hi, the next generation".
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Post by invester on Nov 8, 2018 9:17:31 GMT
I thought the interiors were ok.
Sadly the exterior just resembles a load of high-density huts in a field, although no pictures have been forthcoming for a while.
A lot of landscaping is needed to make this look palatable. IMO 'cabin retreat' places like Center Parcs might have looked like this before all the trees and paths were put in. It just seems that on every metric I don't like continuing this project: takes too much time, not enough money, not enough quality. The constraints upon it make all of these things self-fulfilling to an extent.
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Post by Carter on Nov 8, 2018 9:19:11 GMT
I've always struggled to get a read on Lendys thinking over the years. Hopefully they are going through the process, the borrower has a proposal and they therefore need to consider it. They have some feedback and can now use that. I would recommend lenders make direct contact to make their feedback formal. I can't see how they could progress such an option as it really opens themselves up. Has a new valuation been instructed, has long term finance been secured based on that valuation once the build is complete. Or is it all wishful thinking. There has to be evidence that any change to the loan is in the best interests of lenders. Lendy Support
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Post by charliebrown on Nov 8, 2018 10:15:49 GMT
It’s probably the least of our worries but can anyone see any justification for LY withholding interest payments here? It seems totally without justification.
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Post by polonius on Nov 8, 2018 11:40:05 GMT
Contract term 9.4 says 'All repayments and any interest received that is due to you will be paid to your Lendy lender account monthly in arrears.'
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Post by nyquest on Nov 8, 2018 13:57:55 GMT
That's the final f***ing straw. £69K across 14 projects all non performers 0% IOA. This is the arse end of P2P.
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Post by dandy on Nov 8, 2018 14:44:31 GMT
Despite the understandable uproar over this, what is being proposed (given the mess) makes total sense - although as ever the devil will be in the detail which we are unlikely to ever see. The options seem to be:
1. Continue funding the development (Lendy clearly unable to do so) 2. Appoint a receiver (if that is even valid - I suspect it isn't) to take control and sell. A substantial haircut of ~ 50% will follow but more importantly B would inevitably sue for all losses incurred directly caused by Ly failure to fund - and any sale proceeds left will probably be sat in a court escrow account for years - and by the end of that probably 10p in the £ may get returned.
3. Allow a new lender to fund the remainder of the costs (no lawsuit from B, no immediate haircut, and it is even possible a full capital recovery will happen as after all B will need to see to that to get their hands on any profits which will only materialize if the second charge is paid in full).
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Post by invester on Nov 8, 2018 16:01:14 GMT
Why is it inevitable that they would sue? Collective wisdom on the London loan is that the legal ground is frivolous. There have been other loans on various platforms which have come to a halt because of cash flow but never ended up in court.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 8, 2018 17:52:29 GMT
Why is it inevitable that they would sue? Collective wisdom on the London loan is that the legal ground is frivolous. There have been other loans on various platforms which have come to a halt because of cash flow but never ended up in court. I'm not in the London loan but sadly am in this mess. Are any of said collective lawyers I wonder? The borrower and their legal team clearly believe they have a case and the fact that as I understand it an initial hearing has to some extent gone the way of that borrower suggests to my (non legal) brain that their case is at least not frivolous. I should add that from our perspective as investors, the idea that you can invest in something fully regulated by the FCA and then lose more than your initial investment is simply astounding and I hope the highers powers that be (such as the FCA) do something about it.
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Post by invester on Nov 8, 2018 18:45:14 GMT
I am not sure on that point, but that is definitely Lendy's opinion. We were given the option to concede or fight it.
The fact that it has gone so far doesn't really reveal anything, the initial hearing was about disclosure of names. In that judgement it evens says that there is no opinion on the merits of the case as yet.
In this case I can't even see how one could prove consequential loss, because unlike a London property there is no good barometer of value. The value here seemingly dependent on the underlying business unless the huts can be sold individually.
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Post by nyneil on Nov 9, 2018 15:02:46 GMT
Unfortunately i'm in this loan and am very unhappy with the way it's going. Just to add something positive... Superficially, this might just appear to be a few huts in a field, but they are located just on the edge of a beautiful National Park, in an area which thrives on tourism. If the project were to be successfully completed, it is in the right place and could well be a viable business venture, providing it's managed and marketed well. Alternatively, there could be larger leisure companies who would be prepared to take over the project, which is still at a stage where they could stamp their own identity on it. Sure, this doesn't mean we will come out of it without a haircut, but I don't yet see it as a total write off.
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Post by Carter on Nov 16, 2018 12:20:42 GMT
Update on site regarding cessation of interests payments as stated in previous update. Will need to go back through the previous extensions/tranches with my abacus to understand where this fell down. At a high level though if a loan extends and is stated as IOA then its reasonable to assume the interest is held for that period surely.
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Post by invester on Nov 16, 2018 13:03:33 GMT
Doesn't really address the elephant in the room - what is the way forward for this, and whether the objections have been noted.
I can't quite fathom how we have regulations that prohibit Lendy making an interest payment to lenders in this situation, but presumably the same regulations allow Lendy to change loan holders security from a first charge to a second charge without their consent.
I do not believe for a second that most enquiries from lenders was about a month's missing interest but then Lendy doing the decent thing went away a long time ago.
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Post by Carter on Nov 16, 2018 13:33:24 GMT
In my mind the original extension had to be fully funded otherwise the term had to be adjusted to reflect actual interest held.
If original extension around March 2018 did have all retained interest for the loan value at that time then the issue has been introduced via shortfalls in subsequent tranches.
Shortfalls in subsequent tranches should have resulted in smaller amounts released to the borrower and IOA retained accordingly in line with the loan term from the funding raised.
What am I missing?
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Post by Carter on Nov 16, 2018 13:38:40 GMT
I do not believe for a second that most enquiries from lenders was about a month's missing interest but then Lendy doing the decent thing went away a long time ago. I think it is important to understand though. It's a fundamental part of how Lendy say they operate with respect to retained interest for the loan duration. If in practice this isn't the case then it's a serious flaw.
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