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Post by dan83 on Mar 19, 2017 18:19:09 GMT
I could do with some advice from a sparky, any of you a electrician?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 19, 2017 18:52:43 GMT
Arguably more dangerous than giving financial advice, but it ain't regulated, so 'what did you want to know'? 8>.
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Post by dan83 on Mar 19, 2017 19:10:57 GMT
Can I run a 10mm wire and run a 10kw shower from it of does it depend on the length of wire?
Can you draw me a simple wiring diagram how to turn 1 light (ceiling light) into 2 lights (down lights)
Then another wiring diagram how to 1 light (a ceiling light) into 6 lights (down lights)
Also what wire would I use to do the above wiring?
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Post by pom on Mar 19, 2017 19:26:25 GMT
Can I run a 10mm wire and run a 10kw shower from it of does it depend on the length of wire? Can you draw me a simple wiring diagram how to turn 1 light (ceiling light) into 2 lights (down lights) Then another wiring diagram how to 1 light (a ceiling light) into 6 lights (down lights) Also what wire would I use to do the above wiring? 1- depends on the length of the wire, what it's attached to/under (heat generation) radius of bends and lots of other stuff. If you're gonna do it go do some proper research 2 - wiring diagram - is apparently pretty simple, you should easily find something while doing your proper research  3 - 1-6 - beware, whilst you'd prob be ok if they were LED, halogens could lead to major heat generation... 4 - possibly lighting cable but all depends on the power/length/current etc.... And if you do do it then at the very least you could be badly caught out when you come to sell your house (answers paraphrased from someone wot knows)
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Post by Come_on_Grandad on Mar 19, 2017 19:27:01 GMT
Can I run a 10mm wire and run a 10kw shower from it of does it depend on the length of wire? Can you draw me a simple wiring diagram how to turn 1 light (ceiling light) into 2 lights (down lights) Then another wiring diagram how to 1 light (a ceiling light) into 6 lights (down lights) Also what wire would I use to do the above wiring? I think that , nowadays, building regs part P prevents a householder from doing that sort of DIY
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 19, 2017 19:28:49 GMT
10mm should be OK .. e,g, see www.theiet.org/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=205&threadid=47560Although yeah, if you are running it 50m you might need 16mm wires (and a pipe bender). 8>. Extra lights (assuming we are talking 240v mains, and not 12v downlighters) are just wired in parallel from the ceiling rose .. whether 2 or 6 should not be an issue, assuming we are on low energy not 400w quartz tubes. .. however you are not supposed to do this sort of work (even to your own house) unless you are competent (and if you are patching back into the main distribution board, even 'competent' doesn't hack it .. you need to be qualified too). If you have to ask, you failed the test, so call an electrician. |
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Post by pom on Mar 19, 2017 19:31:02 GMT
Can I run a 10mm wire and run a 10kw shower from it of does it depend on the length of wire? Can you draw me a simple wiring diagram how to turn 1 light (ceiling light) into 2 lights (down lights) Then another wiring diagram how to 1 light (a ceiling light) into 6 lights (down lights) Also what wire would I use to do the above wiring? I think that , nowadays, building regs part P prevents a householder from doing that sort of DIY Partly depends on when you bought your house and whether you still have any of the old cable (different colour codes). But yeah having a part P and knowing people who are willing to come inspect for little more than beer money is useful.
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Post by dan83 on Mar 19, 2017 19:34:45 GMT
1 - the wire will be run under a floor, up a wall (buried) in to the loft to the shower switch, I'd guess 12-15 meters.
2 - I've googled wire diagrams, there are some on there, but I'm almost certain there are 5 wires at the light and the diagrams on google only show 3.
3 - they will be LED down lights.
4 - what is lighting wire? 3 core? Twin core? 0.5mm? 1mm bigger?
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Post by pom on Mar 19, 2017 19:43:07 GMT
1 - the wire will be run under a floor, up a wall (buried) in to the loft to the shower switch, I'd guess 12-15 meters. 2 - I've googled wire diagrams, there are some on there, but I'm almost certain there are 5 wires at the light and the diagrams on google only show 3. 3 - they will be LED down lights. 4 - what is lighting wire? 3 core? Twin core? 0.5mm? 1mm bigger? My oracle doesn't want to play any more. Seriously - at the very least you're opening yourself up to at having to pay all sorts of indemnity insurance stuff when you have to sell. Worst case you could have an insurer refusing a claim. Actually no, the worst case is potentially a LOT worse. Is it really worth it to save the cost of a sparky? (I'm technically an engineer so theoretically know all this stuff, but I don't have the relevant training/quals so I wouldn't do it these days. I sometimes worry about some of the wiring I did in my first house...tho it did pass all sorts of tests ... including not being laughed at by my oracle but maybe he wouldn't have dared  )
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 19, 2017 20:11:29 GMT
1 - the wire will be run under a floor, up a wall (buried) in to the loft to the shower switch, I'd guess 12-15 meters. 2 - I've googled wire diagrams, there are some on there, but I'm almost certain there are 5 wires at the light and the diagrams on google only show 3. 3 - they will be LED down lights. 4 - what is lighting wire? 3 core? Twin core? 0.5mm? 1mm bigger? I will try not to preach, but from your line of questioning, I would strongly advise you to find an electrician to carry out your work, or at the very least get advice from an actual electrician. Seen way to many accidents in my line of work involving electrics
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Post by guff on Mar 20, 2017 9:36:02 GMT
1 - the wire will be run under a floor, up a wall (buried) in to the loft to the shower switch, I'd guess 12-15 meters. 2 - I've googled wire diagrams, there are some on there, but I'm almost certain there are 5 wires at the light and the diagrams on google only show 3. 3 - they will be LED down lights. 4 - what is lighting wire? 3 core? Twin core? 0.5mm? 1mm bigger? I will try not to preach, but from your line of questioning, I would strongly advise you to find an electrician to carry out your work, or at the very least get advice from an actual electrician. Seen way to many accidents in my line of work involving electrics THIS! Especially Q1. Guff MIET
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 20, 2017 10:15:33 GMT
I will try not to preach, but from your line of questioning, I would strongly advise you to find an electrician to carry out your work, or at the very least get advice from an actual electrician. Seen way to many accidents in my line of work involving electrics Yep, entirely agree .. although the worst one I ever saw in person was when an electricity board installer cut into my immersion heater cable while it was live, thinking it was the upstairs ring main (which he had isolated). The ELCB saved his sorry ***, but not the skin on his hand. Back to the original Qs .. if you are going to bury 15m of wires in walls and under floor, definitely need to over-design the cabling. And with and extra 40A load the whole distribution board and main fuse may need looking at too. As everyone said 'get an electrician' (but not the one I used, although that one is probably fused by now).
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Post by pom on Mar 20, 2017 13:49:10 GMT
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Post by guff on Mar 20, 2017 18:08:17 GMT
Do we think dan83 might have got the message yet? If he never posts again, I suspect the answer is no.
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