spyrogyra
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Post by spyrogyra on Mar 22, 2017 11:10:21 GMT
FS wouldn't miss a chance to show their ugly side. In times when things work well for them (loans filling quickly), the last thing on their agenda is to put a bidding restriction on a good loan. Just like today with the Tipton loan. Gone in seconds. Thank you FS !!!
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Liz
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Post by Liz on Mar 22, 2017 11:22:00 GMT
FS wouldn't miss a chance to show their ugly side. In times when things work well for them (loans filling quickly), the last thing on their agenda is to put a bidding restriction on a good loan. Just like today with the Tipton loan. Gone in seconds. Thank you FS !!! I agree, a £250 limit for 10 minutes would have been appropriate.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 22, 2017 12:50:08 GMT
FS wouldn't miss a chance to show their ugly side. In times when things work well for them (loans filling quickly), the last thing on their agenda is to put a bidding restriction on a good loan. Just like today with the Tipton loan. Gone in seconds. Thank you FS !!! I agree, a £250 limit for 10 minutes would have been appropriate. I can't believe that FS are unaware of the frustration and negative feelings they generate in their investors when people set aside the time to be at the website at the appointed hour and still cannot invest because no bidding limit was put in place. They really need to try harder to set limits that allow a loan to last at least an hour so that the people essential to their long-term growth don't just give up and take their money elsewhere. And to make the same mistake two days in a row...
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Mar 22, 2017 13:06:50 GMT
This has happened a few times before, I'm told it's "human error."!!!? Simply should not happen after the first one, or maybe two, no excuses three plus.
I think these ABP2Ps are going to get hoovered up by the Big Banks sometime soonish so it's a moot point whether their "service" will improve. If it doesn't need to?
Also interesting to watch and observe what happens with Late Loans and the quality & regularity of Updates you receive. And I'm not thinking FS only on this point.
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Post by fundingsecure on Mar 22, 2017 13:33:40 GMT
Just to clarify - we have a number of investors who prefer spreading their investment across multiple loans - they prefer that we set limits to allow the maximum number of investors. However We have a number of investors who prefer to invest larger sums on a smaller number of loans. They prefer that we do not restrict loans.
It is a difficult balancing act - whichever way we handle it - we will always upset some investors.
We therefore try to provide a balance - some loans are listed with limits, some not. From our standpoint it does not affect us whether a limit is placed on a loan.
With an increasing pipeline and a larger variety of loans we aim to please as many investors as possible, but
You can please all the people some of the time You can please some of the people all of the time BUT You can't please all of the people all of the time.*
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* John Lydgate, later adopted by Abraham Lincoln
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Post by 7d7 on Mar 22, 2017 13:53:16 GMT
I disagree with your analogy FS. There are so many loans that carry no restrictions. Very few do indeed. What investors are saying is that SMALL popular loans like Tipton should bear restrictions. It's not rocket science. Restrictions are not necessary for larger loans. By doing so, you satisfy both parties. This has been recommended on several occasions, which you have chosen to ignore.
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 22, 2017 14:09:36 GMT
I agree @0d7 , and I typically benefit from these myself so say this grudgingly. It's pretty blimmin' obvious that if you offer a sub-£50k low LTV first charge loan on a normal residential property, that it's going to be heavily oversubscribed and go within seconds without bid limits. fundingsecure , you're really missing the point. Just because Johnny Big-Fish would obviously prefer to take nearly all of a small-ish good loan, doesn't mean they should be allowed to do so. There are plenty of bonus-laden loans for them to benefit from for diversity.
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spyrogyra
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Post by spyrogyra on Mar 22, 2017 14:36:35 GMT
Those with the big bucks can put money into the big loans. FS, you are not balancing at all, you are upsetting customers, you should be fair, if you don't realize this, you doing yourselves a great damage. Though I like your model, and wish you all the success, or just because of this , I want to tell you - there will come a time, when all this will hit you back. People tend to remember. Now there's another loan coming up at 3pm with no restriction again. Whom are you pleasing now? Don't you think that fairness is worth more than pleasing someone with lots of money.
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n
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Post by n on Mar 22, 2017 14:42:24 GMT
Perhaps they will launch it 20 seconds early so that there is nothing visible at 15:00 to avoid upsetting people who don't look until then?
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Post by jonno on Mar 22, 2017 14:52:36 GMT
To be honest, when I saw the title of this thread I thought it a tad harsh. But having read the FS response I think its cutting them a lot of slack
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 22, 2017 15:25:51 GMT
And, as expected, the loan released at 1500 filled very quickly.
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Post by fundingsecure on Mar 22, 2017 15:37:55 GMT
Apologies if the earlier information wasn't clear.
As you say, for larger investors (say £10k+) they have the opportunity to invest in large loans, with bonuses - all well and good.
My comments were related to smaller / medium investors - say looking to invest £1,000-£5,000 at a time - some like to put one bid on an individual loan, rather than spreading it across multiple loans. If we put a limit on all smaller / lower LTV loans then these investors would have an issue.
At one stage we did limit almost all loans, when there was a shortage of available loans. As the platform has expanded we have the opportunity to open up some loans, with some limited.
Generally speaking we will continue to limit most small / low LTV loans - but occasionally we will remove the limit. In addition if a borrower comes to us requiring very urgent funding we may elect to remove or reduce the limit to ensure speedy funding and allow quick drawdown.
Hopefully we will be able to continue to increase the offerings, so that everyone has the opportunity to bid the way they want.
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Post by elliotn on Mar 22, 2017 15:38:32 GMT
And, as expected, the loan released at 1500 filled very quickly. Yep, my deposit being pinged back by return
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Post by 7d7 on Mar 22, 2017 16:51:03 GMT
You still don't get the point FS. There are sufficient loans without restrictions to enable smaller/medium sized investors to diversify. If you are overly concerned with these type of investors, why not have a bid limit of £1000 or so? You may equally increase bid limits if a quick drawdown is preferred. In brief, your reasoning is based on an indefensible premise.
The fundamental issue lies with barring lots of investors from participating in small popular loans. Of course, you could act accordingly or sabotage yourselves in the long run by ignoring good advice.
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Post by Liz on Mar 22, 2017 18:46:50 GMT
You still don't get the point FS. There are sufficient loans without restrictions to enable smaller/medium sized investors to diversify. If you are overly concerned with these type of investors, why not have a bid limit of £1000 or so? You may equally increase bid limits if a quick drawdown is preferred. In brief, your reasoning is based on an indefensible premise. The fundamental issue lies with barring lots of investors from participating in small popular loans. Of course, you could act accordingly or sabotage yourselves in the long run by ignoring good advice. Maybe they should just offer these small loans to those who can bid larger amounts, say a minimum bid of £5K.
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