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Post by fundingsecure on Apr 18, 2017 16:53:24 GMT
Chris - our IFISA is not a flexible ISA.
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Post by agent69 on Apr 18, 2017 17:33:38 GMT
I am confused about this as well. The T&Cs state:"I have not subscribed and will not subscribe to another innovative finance ISA in the same tax year that I subscribe to this innovative finance ISA,". As I understand it, you can only open one IFISA with this year's money. I should be able to open multiple IFISAs with any ISA money from previous years. The government dictates that you can only pay new money into one of each of cash, S&S and innovative finance ISA's in the current qualifying year. If you have £100k of old money in an ISA the government will not stop you splitting it up and moving it (for example £10k into 10 different account). However, to do this both the current ISA account manager and the 10 receiving accounts must allow it.
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Post by mason on Apr 18, 2017 17:33:52 GMT
Our understanding, based on the specific rules for IFISA, is that you can only open one IFISA in one tax year. <snip> fundingsecure - you seem to be conflating "open" and "subscribe" in your interpretation of the guidance. "Subscribe" and "subscriptions" have a very specific definitions in the guidance notes and ISA Regulations. Your interpretation is correct for those who open and subscribe to your ISA - they will not be able to open and subscribe to any other IF ISA in this tax year. However, if they open, but do not subscribe to your ISA (which would be the case if they transfer in previous year subscriptions only), then they can also open and subscribe to an IF ISA elsewhere. If they open and subscribe to your ISA, then they can open an IF ISA elsewhere providing that they do not subscribe to it in the same tax year. Transfer of current year subscriptions results in the subscriptions being treated as if they were made to the receiving ISA, and would therefore count as subscribing to the receiving ISA in the current tax year. Transfers of previous year subscriptions, between ISAs of any type (although some special restrictions exist for LISAs), do not count as subscriptions in the current tax year.
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Post by greatmarko on Apr 18, 2017 17:34:25 GMT
fundingsecure , I know your IFISA allows transfers IN from previous ISAs, will your IFISA also allow transfers OUT?
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Post by mason on Apr 18, 2017 17:36:29 GMT
fundingsecure , I know your IFISA allows transfers IN from previous ISAs, will your IFISA also allow transfers OUT? This is required by the ISA regulations. All ISAs (and ISAs of all types) must permit transfers out.
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Post by fp on Apr 18, 2017 17:56:08 GMT
fundingsecure , I know your IFISA allows transfers IN from previous ISAs, will your IFISA also allow transfers OUT? You can transfer out, however it is not a "flexible isa" which allows you to pay the money back in before the end to the financial year without it counting against your annual allowance, you could only transfer to another ISA product if you wanted to keep it in the tax free wrapper. As with the normal system, when you invest in a loan, you commit to lending to the term of that loan. During this time, it is not possible to withdraw the investment, unless you choose to sell on the Secondary Market. Any un-invested money in your account may be withdrawn at any time. The cash will then be sent to your main account and you can withdraw funds from your main account as you normally would.
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 18, 2017 18:00:13 GMT
I am confused about this as well. The T&Cs state:"I have not subscribed and will not subscribe to another innovative finance ISA in the same tax year that I subscribe to this innovative finance ISA,". As I understand it, you can only open one IFISA with this year's money. I should be able to open multiple IFISAs with any ISA money from previous years. This is standard terminology on xISA accounts. 'Subscribe' in this context means 'fund with new ISA money' i.e. money coming out of this years ISA allowance.
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Post by df on Apr 18, 2017 18:23:23 GMT
Some P2P sites do charge fees. Do they? Can't expect them getting much business then. Two that I know of: Landbay at 3.75% - I have some funds there since 1st January and none of it is invested yet. LC at 6%, which is hardly worth it with all risk attached - the loan flow there is very slow too and some awkward conditions like minimum investment.
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Post by bg on Apr 18, 2017 18:28:29 GMT
Do they? Can't expect them getting much business then. Two that I know of: Landbay at 3.75% - I have some funds there since 1st January and none of it is invested yet. LC at 6%, which is hardly worth it with all risk attached - the loan flow there is very slow too and some awkward conditions like minimum investment. Just looked at Lanbay, their site says there's no fee?
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Post by dzo on Apr 18, 2017 18:30:14 GMT
Our understanding, based on the specific rules for IFISA, is that you can only open one IFISA in one tax year. The "exception" to that is where you open an IFISA with one provider, then decide to move it to another. Under those circumstances you have to move all of the current year funds, including any interest earned. Effectively it is as if the original IFISA never happened.. Taken from the ISA guidelines: From 6 April 2016 investors can subscribe in each tax year to
• one cash ISA • one stocks and shares ISA, and • one innovative finance ISA.
They cannot subscribe to two (or more) cash ISAs, two (or more) stocks and shares ISAs, or two (or more) innovative finance ISAs in the same tax year.
Where the investor transfers current year subscriptions from one type of ISA to another the subscriptions are treated as if they were made to the receiving ISA. For example, if current year stocks and shares subscriptions are transferred to a cash ISA, they are treated as if they made to the cash ISA so the investor is free to subscribe to a stocks and shares ISA following the transfer – subject to the overall subscription limit (see paragraph 11.12a).When you open an IFISA with us you make a declaration that you will not open another IFISA in the same tax year - the wording of which is taken directly from the ISA handbook. It is true that some other platforms have interpreted the ISA regulations in a different manner (The distinction between opening and subscribing) but we are following the above guidelines. FundingSecure I've opened the IFISA, but I'm reluctant to put any money in now that I've read this. Can we really trust FS to operate an ISA account when they don't seem to understand the difference between opening, subscribing, and transferring? The lack of flexibility is also a concern. P2P investments are often dictated by loan flow so flexibility is more important than it is for other types of ISA.
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Post by mason on Apr 18, 2017 18:42:22 GMT
I've opened the IFISA, but I'm reluctant to put any money in now that I've read this. Can we really trust FS to operate an ISA account when they don't seem to understand the difference between opening, subscribing, and transferring? The lack of flexibility is also a concern. P2P investments are often dictated by loan flow so flexibility is more important than it is for other types of ISA. I wouldn't judge FS too harshly. I've seen plenty of examples of major banks giving customers incorrect information in relation to the ISA rules. This discussion is stretching FS well beyond what it would need to know in order to operate its own product within the guidelines. The T&Cs and declarations look correct to me, so I can forgive FS for not all being fully au fait with what we can and can't do in the greater scheme of things. It is for us to make sure we keep within the rules outside of FS, and for HMRC to check we are not subscribing to invalid combinations of ISAs when they receive the annual returns from ISA managers.
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Post by df on Apr 18, 2017 18:55:25 GMT
Two that I know of: Landbay at 3.75% - I have some funds there since 1st January and none of it is invested yet. LC at 6%, which is hardly worth it with all risk attached - the loan flow there is very slow too and some awkward conditions like minimum investment. Just looked at Lanbay, their site says there's no fee? I might be wrong, but I think they charge borrowers more than 3.75%. They don't call it fee, just pay you less interest.
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 18, 2017 18:59:49 GMT
Guidance notes for ISA Managers 11.6 Investments and/or cash transferred are not new subscriptions for the purposes of the overall subscription limit.
There are also clear circumstances where you can open more than one IFISA for current year money (but not have current year money in them at same time). If you transfer your current year IFISA (full amount required) to another type of ISA (Cash/S&S) then under the rules that IFISA would no longer count as your one IFISA for the current year so you could therefore open and subscribe to another IFISA with another provider. So if you subscribe to a LLI IFISA this year, you could tansfer it to a Cash ISA and then subscribe to a FS IFISA as if the LLI never existed. www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/saving/article-2120641/What-ISA-transfer-rules-I-stop-rate-crashing.html (cash isa discussed but true for all 3 types [Lisa slightly different]) The basic rules on Isa transfers - You can transfer your money from one cash Isa provider to another, as long as your chosen provider will accept transfers. - You can transfer a cash Isa opened in the current tax year (April 2014 to April 2015)*(April 2017 to April 2018), but you have to transfer the whole lot to the new provider. - On cash Isas taken out on or before April 5, 2014*,April 5, 2017 you can transfer part or all to the new provider. You can transfer different amounts or parts to as many providers as you like, as many times as you like.- You can even split the money between variable rate and fixed rate deals. However, not all providers accept 'partial' transfers. Edit the section FS quotes is from the start of the guidance covering ISA opening, the section on transfers is towards the end. * Note article from 2015 so dates correct at time of writing but should be substituted with current dates
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Post by moneymagnet on Apr 18, 2017 19:02:22 GMT
I am waiting until the dust settles. I've waited over a year for an IFISA on a platform I want to use. A few more days won't hurt.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Apr 18, 2017 19:04:20 GMT
I note that FS registration requires first name and surname. That is what is pre filled in the boxes for my IFISA. However, that asks for FULL name, but there is no way of actually inserting my middle name. fundingsecure What should I do here?
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