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Post by longjohn on Jun 15, 2014 13:33:46 GMT
In this weeks Investors Chronicle (issue 13 June) in the article on high risk investments ( ) they mention P2P Global Investments which is an Investment Trust set up to take part in all P2P lending. Apparently it has an agreement with FC to invest $5M in the US and $2M in the UK. The quoted potential returns match that of FC precisely. It also has agreements with Ratesetter, Zopa and Crossflow Payments. I'm wondering if they will (like UK Gov) invest a small percentage in every loan automatically or whether they will have someone at a PC all day bidding against the rest of us individuals. With almost a couple of million quid fed into FC in the next nine months (the stated aim) I think rates will be under pressure and are bound to drop. As it's an Investment Trust it can be held in an ISA and gains will obviously be tax free plus it's easily tradable. I thought about buying some but they are already trading at a 5% premium - link - so I'll have to have a little think more about it. On the plus side, not having to spend time on FC researching and bidding. The minus side though, not getting quite the rates that I'm currently earning. Hmmm!
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Post by jimbo on Jun 15, 2014 13:45:18 GMT
I suspect they'll only be partaking in whole loans on FC.
They also charge a 15% performance fee, which is extortionate in my view. I much prefer GLI Finance. They too trade at a premium to NAV, but they have ownership stakes in Funding Knight and Platform Black, which provides potential for capital appreciation. They also don't charge a performance fee.
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Post by longjohn on Jun 15, 2014 14:05:26 GMT
15% performance fee. I missed that. Thought it was a normal performance fee which applied after a hurdle had been achieved. Actually, re-reading the prospectus it seems a dividend is payable on only 85% of income so they're grabbing 15p from the very first £1 earned. That knocks out three quarters of the tax benefits of holding it in an ISA. Idea scrapped!
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Post by merlin on Jun 15, 2014 14:23:06 GMT
I don't think that a move into the P2P markets by the investment houses should come as a surprise now that Isas have become a possibility in this sector. Several of the big names including possibly Fidelity have been looking at the opportunities that such a move would present. My guess is that once the P2P market got off the ground they would have seen P2P as a potential threat to their highly lucrative ISA business and would already have thoroughly researched it in order to either counter it or to join the party. Over the next couple of months I guess we will get to find out what they will offer.
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Post by aloanatlast on Jun 16, 2014 3:21:54 GMT
Is that the only fee? Most funds skim off a percentage of capital, whether they perform or not. Most investors would cheerfully swap that for a performance-related fee. 15% of income (is that before or after bad debt) equates to a 0.75% fee against a 5% return, which stands comparison.
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Post by aloanatlast on Jun 16, 2014 5:43:21 GMT
Interesting comment by Rhydian on the RateSetter blog - giving in to all the demands of institutional money could mean the end of P2P as a value proposition.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jun 16, 2014 7:40:10 GMT
'Giving them special treatment' .. E.g. what FC is currently doing with government funding and whole loans. Sensible man that Rhydian.
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