littleoldlady
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Post by littleoldlady on May 23, 2017 6:45:58 GMT
There has been an explosion of new student flat developments. Why? The number of students does not seem to have gone up. Where were they all living before? Who is buying them all? Students? Their parents? BTL investors?
What's going on?
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pikestaff
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Post by pikestaff on May 23, 2017 7:33:56 GMT
Student numbers grew sharply up to about 2012 but have plateaued since visual.ons.gov.uk/how-has-the-student-population-changed/As to why so many student flats: 1. It's partly the market catching up with demand; there has been a shortage of accommodation in many places. 2. Some shared houses previously made available to students have either been turned into flats for sale or redirected at the immigrant market. 3. The bank of mum & dad. 4. Student flats are particularly popular with overseas students especially from places like China (whose parents may also be buying). 5. Heavily marketed BTL schemes, some with "guaranteed" returns. I would be wary of the sector at the moment, because UK student demand fell this year and overseas student numbers could fall sharply - partly because of Brexit and partly because of hostility to immigration generally.
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Post by SteveT on May 23, 2017 7:41:54 GMT
Also, a typical student's expectation of what constitutes "acceptable" living accommodation is rather higher these days than in the "Young Ones" generation. My nephew started a course at Cardiff University last autumn and takes it entirely for granted that his room has an en-suite bathroom, with a smart kitchen and communal room shared between 6 of them.
Student living costs are largely funded on the "never never" via Student Loans they know they may not fully repay (balance is written off after 30 years of paying 9% of income over £21k), so there's limited incentive for them to live like paupers.
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Post by archie on May 23, 2017 7:50:31 GMT
Also, a typical student's expectation of what constitutes "acceptable" living accommodation is rather higher these days than in the "Young Ones" generation. My nephew started a course at Cardiff University last autumn and takes it entirely for granted that his room has an en-suite bathroom, with a smart kitchen and communal room shared between 6 of them. What's wrong with a mattress and a bucket?
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Post by bigfoot12 on May 23, 2017 12:38:41 GMT
What's wrong with a mattress and a bucket? Luxury - we had to share our bucket.
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Post by daveb4 on May 23, 2017 20:44:01 GMT
Council trying to keep students in one place - easier to monitor re noise etc
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Post by registerme on May 24, 2017 0:54:58 GMT
What's wrong with a mattress and a bucket? Luxury - we had to share our bucket. You had a bucket?
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Post by lynnanthony on May 24, 2017 6:52:51 GMT
I've seen it suggested, perhaps on another thread here, that a lot of students don't like these self contained student flats, preferring house shares or HMOs for social reasons. Too easy for the less outgoing students to stay locked up in their rooms seeing no one. Certainly my daughter, currently at uni, found that. She did year one in a student flat but year two onwards has shared.
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Post by SteveT on May 24, 2017 7:08:10 GMT
I've seen it suggested, perhaps on another thread here, that a lot of students don't like these self contained student flats, preferring house shares or HMOs for social reasons. Too easy for the less outgoing students to stay locked up in their rooms seeing no one. Certainly my daughter, currently at uni, found that. She did year one in a student flat but year two onwards has shared. My nephew's one is sensibly designed to combine the two. It's essentially a large block of "6 person apartments", each student getting their own en-suite room off a shared living room / kitchen.
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Post by stokeloans on May 25, 2017 7:54:38 GMT
In my area students have predominantly tended to reside in shared terraced houses in the vicinity of the unis....there is a huge student population in the nearest village to Keele university even though it has it's own accommodation blocks (not enough obviously) Now though there are student blocks going up everywhere. The result of this,in my view,will be a lot of terraced houses vacant.... landlords will either have to target the non student population or sell them off which could have a knock on effect if there's suddenly a surplus on the market,ie prices will drop which will be a good thing for 1st time buyers. Only time will tell but I reckon this bubble will burst sooner rather than later
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Post by fp on May 25, 2017 8:55:56 GMT
I would imagine a primary reason is that a block of flats with 500 bedrooms takes up a lot less space than 100 or so houses to accommodate a similar number of students, this then free's up a large number of houses to be put back into the housing market chain
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Post by moogman on May 28, 2017 19:10:53 GMT
Who's buying them? It appears that developers are building out then selling off to individual investors -- With "guaranteed rent" periods of 2-4yrs and yields of ~8% it's attractive to a number of "normal" people.
Who's living in them? In my experience, these custom build student accommodation units are marketing for 2x the comparable market rate for 4-6 bed HMOs (House of Multiple Occupancy, the typical student house-share situation). There have been a number of high-profile cases where the developer has gone back to planning and asked for change-of-use to service accommodation, as the buildings are standing empty.
I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that has information on the actual strategy being employed by these developers?
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Post by ozboy on May 28, 2017 20:16:30 GMT
Who's buying them? It appears that developers are building out then selling off to individual investors -- With "guaranteed rent" periods of 2-4yrs and yields of ~8% it's attractive to a number of "normal" people. Who's living in them? In my experience, these custom build student accommodation units are marketing for 2x the comparable market rate for 4-6 bed HMOs (House of Multiple Occupancy, the typical student house-share situation). There have been a number of high-profile cases where the developer has gone back to planning and asked for change-of-use to service accommodation, as the buildings are standing empty. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that has information on the actual strategy being employed by these developers? I'm concerned too. There was a post not long ago that said the number of these "Student Towers" still hasn't addressed the student numbers requiring them, that there will be a demand for a while yet, and who am I to argue? The main thing that troubles me is what these buildings will be used for in 10 or more years time? I see them deteriorating rapidly and low income and/or Benefits Claimants and/or Asylum Seekers and/or Etc. inhabiting them, which is not a bad thing, BUT when such people are all crammed together in high rise with no disposable income, well, " I predict a riot"!!! [Kaiser Chiefs dontcha know ]. Certainly they'll become ghettos with loads of social problems, IMHO.
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Post by corriefan on May 28, 2017 23:48:27 GMT
Who's buying them? It appears that developers are building out then selling off to individual investors -- With "guaranteed rent" periods of 2-4yrs and yields of ~8% it's attractive to a number of "normal" people. Who's living in them? In my experience, these custom build student accommodation units are marketing for 2x the comparable market rate for 4-6 bed HMOs (House of Multiple Occupancy, the typical student house-share situation). There have been a number of high-profile cases where the developer has gone back to planning and asked for change-of-use to service accommodation, as the buildings are standing empty. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that has information on the actual strategy being employed by these developers? A couple of years ago we looked into buying one of these flats as an investment. The price was a steal and occupancy was guaranteed. It looked too good to be true and it was. Delving into it further, we discovered that the local university did not recommend the flats to their students. I can't remember why. Where were the guaranteed occupants coming from? I'm not saying all schemes are like that. But careful research is needed.
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Post by r1200gs on May 29, 2017 7:33:16 GMT
Who's buying them? It appears that developers are building out then selling off to individual investors -- With "guaranteed rent" periods of 2-4yrs and yields of ~8% it's attractive to a number of "normal" people. Who's living in them? In my experience, these custom build student accommodation units are marketing for 2x the comparable market rate for 4-6 bed HMOs (House of Multiple Occupancy, the typical student house-share situation). There have been a number of high-profile cases where the developer has gone back to planning and asked for change-of-use to service accommodation, as the buildings are standing empty. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that has information on the actual strategy being employed by these developers? A couple of years ago we looked into buying one of these flats as an investment. The price was a steal and occupancy was guaranteed. It looked too good to be true and it was. Delving into it further, we discovered that the local university did not recommend the flats to their students. I can't remember why. Where were the guaranteed occupants coming from? I'm not saying all schemes are like that. But careful research is needed. Most of these seem to getting flogged as investments with guaranteed income for a set period and on the face of it seem to be very attractive. The question of course, is what will be the value of your investment be when any guaranteed income runs dry? To my mind, I have to wonder what I will be able to sell the place for when I have no slick marketing campaign, no fancy finance to offer and no income guarantee for the buyer. I'm comfortable enough financing the building of these things for now, but buy one as a long term investment? No way.
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