oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jun 16, 2017 9:47:43 GMT
Timed at two hours ago
The Lendy platform was launched in 2012 and since then our investors have grown to over 16,000, with our loan book growing to over £320m. As one of the fastest growing P2P platforms, we continually review how our business is run in order to ensure we're acting in the best long-term interests of all our users. With this in mind, we feel it's important to let all of our customers know of any changes with as much advance notice as possible. A recent review has identified certain disparities in the way we calculate a loan term, with some discrepancies between a loan term published on the platform and the term noted in the master loan document. This message is to give you advance notice that we will be undertaking a reconciliation programme, and making adjustments where a remaining term differs between platform and the master loan document. Discrepancies can occur for a variety of reasons but the most common are when extensions have been agreed but not factored into the platform loan term; and the different methods used by parties to calculate the term. Implementation of the changes start next week. As an investor you do not have to take any action. Thank you for your understanding while we complete the adjustments. If you have any questions please call freephone 0800 779 7706. The Lendy Support Team
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Post by mrg on Jun 16, 2017 9:59:37 GMT
I guess this will result in a reduced number of 'default' loans?
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ped
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Post by ped on Jun 16, 2017 12:29:51 GMT
It will be interesting to see the date change direction? Some up some down maybe?
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Post by Paul64 on Jun 16, 2017 14:06:50 GMT
Hi there, it should be completed over the course of the next week so will have more information after then. Paul
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izigor
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Post by izigor on Jun 19, 2017 16:58:04 GMT
I've just noticed this on the Lendy Website:
"The Lendy platform was launched in 2012 and since then our investors have grown to over 16,000, with our loan book growing to over £320m.
As one of the fastest growing P2P platforms, we continually review how our business is run in order to ensure we're acting in the best long-term interests of all our users. With this in mind, we feel it's important to let all of our customers know of any changes with as much advance notice as possible.
A recent review has identified certain disparities in the way we calculate a loan term, with some discrepancies between a loan term published on the platform and the term noted in the master loan document.
This message is to give you advance notice that we will be undertaking a reconciliation programme, and making adjustments where a remaining term differs between platform and the master loan document. Discrepancies can occur for a variety of reasons but the most common are when extensions have been agreed but not factored into the platform loan term; and the different methods used by parties to calculate the term.
Implementation of the changes start next week."
I don't think I understand this notice fully and would like to read your thoughts if you have any. I'll start on what I do understand.
There's a change that will be implemented next week. It hastens to warn us that it is in the best "LONG-TERM" interests of the users. This is when I got some of my paranoid alarm bells ringing and started thinking it is perhaps not in our short-term and medium-term interests?
The issue as I understand it: disparities of what loan term is published in the master loan document and what Lendy publishes on the website. What I'm fearing will happen is that Lendy is finding ways to whitewash the loan book appeal and make some of the loans look better than they are?
I'm sure the above will sound paranoid to some, but I'd be interested to hear if that's all it is. Perhaps this 'issue' has been known to the community for some time anyway and this is just the formality of the process to resolve it?
OR perhaps this is just confirmation to some of you that they are in fact Lizards people who are taking over the world and this is just one more unbearable step to make it happen?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 19, 2017 18:11:19 GMT
izigor your post has been relocated to this thread where discussion has already begun. It is a known issue and there have been previous reconcilations to align platform and loan agreement terms. The basic issue is that on the platform the loan term starts ticking down from launch but the actual term for the borrower doesnt start until drawdown. As interest is retained it is important that lenders know the actual period that interest is cover by retained interest and when the loan enters default/extension becuase the borrower has not redeemed the loan at the expiry of the agreed term. Therefore to resolve this discrepancy Lendy now carry out reconciliation periodically whereas previously huge discrepancies were allowed to develop between displayed term remianing and actual term. It is likely that in most cases the displayed term will increase. Keep an eyeout for twoheads posts in this thread p2pindependentforum.com/post/172687/thread (bookmark it and set email alerts if you want real time flagging) covering major changes at least. They will also be recorded in CD's index and my updates list[Edit before anyone thinks Ive got secret powers - a helpful mod moved it, I merely flagged it]
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izigor
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Post by izigor on Jun 19, 2017 20:53:25 GMT
Ilmoro, many thanks for both moving the post in the appropriate thread and the information you provided. I did search the forum to look for the discussion but somehow I didn't find it and it wouldn't be the first time I've been blind. It reassures me that you guys understand what's going on. I do have another stupid question though and it is from the very sentence that answered my previous worries: "The basic issue is that on the platform the loan term starts ticking down from launch but the actual term for the borrower doesnt start until drawdown."
As I understand it we (the lenders) start getting interest from LAUNCH. Now if the 'actual term' is from drawdown, that means, to my understanding, the interest paid in advance by the borrower is for the actual term .. Is it Lendy who is paying us interest between LAUNCH and DRAWDOWN?
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twoheads
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Post by twoheads on Jun 19, 2017 21:16:36 GMT
As I understand it we (the lenders) start getting interest from LAUNCH. Now if the 'actual term' is from drawdown, that means, to my understanding, the interest paid in advance by the borrower is for the actual term .. Is it Lendy who is paying us interest between LAUNCH and DRAWDOWN? Yes investors get paid from the date the loan goes live, and yes that comes out of LY pockets. Of course, Lendy cover the interest that they pay in this period (and other costs such as valuations and legal fees) with a setup fee which they charge the borrower, over and above the regular monthly interest.
And no, I don't know the exact setup fee charged!
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mikeh
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Post by mikeh on Jun 19, 2017 21:39:45 GMT
In the model they published in May 2015, the arrangement fees were 4% together with an exit fee of 2%. No idea what they are now.
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Post by lusitania on Jun 20, 2017 6:48:30 GMT
Fees aside, personally I think this notification is yet another distraction from the platform regarding defaults. Yes, I did read and accept the T&Cs however it seems to me that there is a constant attempt to call default loans something else. Does it really matter if you call it SBL, IOA or IA? Because to me, without an official extension, it's still a default, independently if it's behind 90 or 180 days - the borrower is in arrears. Sure, the interest is paid for a period of time but hasn't the loan term already expired? Now, throughout this week there will be a couple more 'tweaks' that although might help to adjust some loans they won't have a greater impact overall (please do correct me if I'm wrong!). Perhaps a higher focus on more thorough updates would be a better usage of time and energy (like other platforms do!)... for example, PBL156 - are the 'no change' updates just copy and paste? Is there an active follow-up from the platform concerning the loan exit? This is just an example among others. By all means make all the adjustments you require but at the end of the day there are more important things to focus on.
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GeorgeT
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Post by GeorgeT on Jun 20, 2017 9:43:41 GMT
Fees aside, personally I think this notification is yet another distraction from the platform regarding defaults. Yes, I did read and accept the T&Cs however it seems to me that there is a constant attempt to call default loans something else. Does it really matter if you call it SBL, IOA or IA? Because to me, without an official extension, it's still a default, independently if it's behind 90 or 180 days - the borrower is in arrears. Sure, the interest is paid for a period of time but hasn't the loan term already expired? Now, throughout this week there will be a couple more 'tweaks' that although might help to adjust some loans they won't have a greater impact overall (please do correct me if I'm wrong!). Perhaps a higher focus on more thorough updates would be a better usage of time and energy (like other platforms do!)... for example, PBL156 - are the 'no change' updates just copy and paste? Is there an active follow-up from the platform concerning the loan exit? This is just an example among others. By all means make all the adjustments you require but at the end of the day there are more important things to focus on. Yes indeed, some good points well made there. The LY definition of default which only occurs after 180 days overdue is a nonsense in legal and practical terms but a godsend to the astute investor. As ridiculous as it is, I would be off like a shot if the rules were changed.
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twoheads
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Post by twoheads on Jun 20, 2017 10:52:20 GMT
Roll-up of remaining term adjustments (old and new terms are those on the date of the change):
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| 20/06
| DFL004
| +24
| +26
| 2
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| 21/06
| PBL159
| +218
| +224
| 6
| 20/06
| DFL010
| +68
| +73
| 5
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| 21/06
| PBL162
| +148
| +154
| 6
| 20/06
| DFL011
| +185
| +207
| 22
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| 21/06
| PBL163
| +78
| +84
| 6
| 20/06
| DFL013
| +207
| +211
| 4
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| 21/06
| PBL164
| +79
| +85
| 6
| 20/06
| DFL014
| +327
| +330
| 3
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| 21/06
| PBL165
| +260
| +266
| 6
| 20/06
| DFL015 | +144
| +147
| 3
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| 21/06
| PBL166
| +100
| +108
| 8
| 20/06
| DFL019
| +273
| +289
| 16
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| 21/06
| PBL167
| +206
| +219
| 13
| 20/06
| DFL021
| +367
| +373
| 6
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| 21/06
| PBL168
| +284
| +290
| 6
| 20/06
| DFL022
| +329
| +340
| 11
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| 21/06
| PBL176
| +322
| +325
| 3
| 20/06
| DFL023
| +311
| +318
| 7
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| 21/06
| PBL177
| +322
| +329
| 7
| 20/06
| DFL024
| +189
| +204
| 15
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| 21/06
| PBL178
| +322
| +329
| 7
| 20/06
| DFL025
| +156
| +178
| 22
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| 21/06
| PBL179
| +323
| +329
| 6
| 20/06
| PBL065
| -115
| -112
| 3
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| 21/06
| PBL180
| +142
| +151
| 9
| 20/06
| PBL084
| +102
| +109
| 7
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| 21/06
| PBL182
| +155
| +158
| 3
| 20/06
| PBL098
| +58
| +61
| 3
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| 21/06
| PBL183
| +338
| +350
| 12
| 20/06
| PBL107
| +3
| +64
| 61
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| 21/06
| PBL184
| +338
| +350
| 12
| 20/06
| PBL108
| +3
| +64
| 61
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| 21/06
| PBL185
| +338
| +350
| 12
| 20/06
| PBL112
| +3
| +64
| 61
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| 21/06
| PBL186
| +338
| +350
| 12
| 20/06
| PBL125
| -25
| -19
| 6
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| 21/06
| PBL189
| +349
| +352
| 3
| 20/06
| PBL133
| +5
| +31
| 26
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| 21/06
| PBL190
| +139
| +141
| 2
| 20/06
| PBL137
| -42
| -13
| 29
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| 21/06
| DFL018
| +378
| +389
| 11
| 20/06
| PBL141
| -27
| +34
| 61
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| 22/06
| PBL095
| -190
| -184
| 6
| 20/06
| PBL142
| -23
| +8
| 31
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| 23/06
| DFL002
| -6
| +38
| 44
| 20/06
| PBL147
| -26
| -14
| 12
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| 23/06
| DFL026
| +422
| +434
| 12
| 20/06
| PBL149
| +3
| +15
| 12
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| 23/06
| DFL027
| +337
| +362
| 25
| 20/06
| PBL150
| +225
| +232
| 7
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| 23/06
| DFL029
| +350
| +362
| 12
| 20/06
| PBL151
| +225
| +232
| 7
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| 20/06
| PBL152
| +225
| +232
| 7
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| 20/06
| PBL153
| +240
| +242
| 2
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| 20/06
| PBL156
| +94
| +150
| 56
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Edit 23/06 - I will include all further changes from today around 6pm.
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twoheads
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Post by twoheads on Jun 22, 2017 9:28:49 GMT
All 'remaining term' deltas so far have been positive (i.e. the terms have all been extended).
Most of the amendments are minor, a few days, probably to account for the discrepancy between the 'go live' time for investors and the 'draw down' time for borrowers as was explained by Lendy Towers.
There are a few clear one or two month extensions that have appeared. Presumably these were granted some time ago but nobody updated the on-line database. It is both inefficient and error prone that Lendy have at least two distinct sets of data referring to the loans: their internal 'master' loan book and the data which we see online.
A one month extension (31 days) for PBL142 - V******* M*** Manchester.
Two month extensions (61 days) for PBL107, PBL108 and PBL112 (London flats) and also for PBL141 (The W***** Tunbridge Wells).
PBL156 - M**** Q*** Hull got a 56 day addition.
All others, less than 30 days.
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Post by elliotn on Jun 22, 2017 9:30:58 GMT
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