GeorgeT
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Post by GeorgeT on Jul 7, 2017 12:45:38 GMT
Coming next week.
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copacetic
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Post by copacetic on Jul 7, 2017 13:01:00 GMT
The 'post term bonus scheme,' assuming that it means a rate bump for loans that are overdue, sounds like an inovative way of improving the secondary market for short dated loans without the complexity of a variable price SM. I suspect it will be of interest to those of us that have done their due diligence and are happy that the asset will cover the loan and don't mind holding until repayment (whenever that may be).
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Post by elliotn on Jul 7, 2017 14:20:02 GMT
A change in tack from the economics lesson explaining why we should expect lower rates as the 7%ers were still 20-40x oversubscribed.
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Post by fp on Jul 7, 2017 23:01:54 GMT
The 'post term bonus scheme,' assuming that it means a rate bump for loans that are overdue, sounds like an inovative way of improving the secondary market for short dated loans without the complexity of a variable price SM. I suspect it will be of interest to those of us that have done their due diligence and are happy that the asset will cover the loan and don't mind holding until repayment (whenever that may be). Yes but is this also an end to the "Supported By Lendy" monthly interest payments. i.e. No more monthly interest payments for loans that are past their redemption date. Surely this can only be brought in on newly purchased parts from a particular cut off date, otherwise that would be a case of moving the goalposts wouldn't it, or in simple terms changing the terms of contract between lender and platform?
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Post by jonah on Jul 8, 2017 7:12:05 GMT
Yes but is this also an end to the "Supported By Lendy" monthly interest payments. i.e. No more monthly interest payments for loans that are past their redemption date. Surely this can only be brought in on newly purchased parts from a particular cut off date, otherwise that would be a case of moving the goalposts wouldn't it, or in simple terms changing the terms of contract between lender and platform? The move to def and ia not paying monthly was done by SS (as they were then) with notice, but for all loans. I assume they can tweak their approach if they choose (again with notice, not that the SM guarantees SN exit route).
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sqh
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Post by sqh on Jul 8, 2017 9:21:48 GMT
Paul64I'm slightly concerned that Lendy will be offering cashback on certain individual development tranches. I think it's important that lenders who bought loan units without cashback get priority when selling on the SM. If not, then I will be making a formal complaint.
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Post by yangmills on Jul 8, 2017 10:03:29 GMT
The 'post term bonus scheme,' assuming that it means a rate bump for loans that are overdue, sounds like an inovative way of improving the secondary market for short dated loans without the complexity of a variable price SM. I suspect it will be of interest to those of us that have done their due diligence and are happy that the asset will cover the loan and don't mind holding until repayment (whenever that may be). I'm not seeing much innovation here. More a move (possibly forced by the FCA) to an approach used by other platforms. SS was doing something unusual by keeping current the interest payments for loans that were in default (using the definition here of default being any loan past it contractual redemption date). Instead, it seems now we might well move to the more conventional approach (used by AC, TC etc) of accruing interest at a higher default rate, post redemption date. This hopefully might focus the borrower on making the loan current again (and dropping the accrual rate back to say 12%). You're correct it will further differentiate loans by credit quality since, of course, for those loans with an expectation of a recovery well above par, the default rate might actually be crystallised. For those with weak recovery prospects, the default fault rate is completely illusory since you will probably not be receiving any accrued. When AC experienced default on pretty much all their early large 12% bridge loans, the 3% higher default rate (15%) did produce a temporary improvement in the liquidity of these loans. This did allow many underwriters like myself to exit at par and pass the risk to the "carry monkeys". In some cases they did well, in some cases not so well. Eventually though this faded as lenders realized they were likely to have to hold through recovery. It's fairly easy to predict loan liquidity on SS using a multi-variable model using residual maturity, coupon rate, loan size, loan trading volume, expected recovery value (LTV) etc. So for those in my syndicate who trade SS loans as a pure liquidity trade, rather than a buy-and-hold trade, then this will favour an increased weighting toward expected recovery values in the loan ranking algorithm, especially as residual maturity falls. Frankly, stepping the coupon, post default, doesn't really solve the issue. Stepping the coupon prior to default would be a better way to replicate the changing risk. But neither is a substitute for variable pricing.
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Post by seeingred on Jul 8, 2017 10:47:05 GMT
" Stepping the coupon prior to default would be a better way to replicate the changing risk."
Do you mean address the changing risk? interesting post yangmills - let's see what happens. Lendy have obviously been listening - as well as watching the outflow of money. This could be the first stage of a recovery of confidence amongst major investors.
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Post by username on Jul 8, 2017 11:01:42 GMT
Paul64I'm slightly concerned that Lendy will be offering cashback on certain individual development tranches. I think it's important that lenders who bought loan units without cashback get priority when selling on the SM. If not, then I will be making a formal complaint. What do you mean 'get priority on the SM'? They're trying to tackle it at both ends by encouraging further investment in tranches so the whole system doesn't collapse, and bumping interest post-term.
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Post by dzo on Jul 8, 2017 12:58:49 GMT
Paul64 I'm slightly concerned that Lendy will be offering cashback on certain individual development tranches. I think it's important that lenders who bought loan units without cashback get priority when selling on the SM. If not, then I will be making a formal complaint. On what grounds will you be complaining? If investors keep crying wolf, the regulators will stop listening to us.
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sqh
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Post by sqh on Jul 9, 2017 1:11:14 GMT
Paul64 I'm slightly concerned that Lendy will be offering cashback on certain individual development tranches. I think it's important that lenders who bought loan units without cashback get priority when selling on the SM. If not, then I will be making a formal complaint. What do you mean 'get priority on the SM'? They're trying to tackle it at both ends by encouraging further investment in tranches so the whole system doesn't collapse, and bumping interest post-term. Currently, if Lendy release a new loan or loan tranche that is not fully subscribed, then they may offer favourable terms to underwriters. Those loan units are subordinate in the sale queue on the SM. You will notice this if you put a loan part up for sale and find the sale queue is less than the amount available. As an example DFL012 has £865k available but the queue is £571k. If Lendy are going to offer cashback on additional tranches and allow those units to be sold on the same terms it will anger existing lenders because the sales queue will be uncontrolled and even more illiquid.
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Post by fp on Jul 9, 2017 8:27:43 GMT
Agree with sqh, COL have handled the issue where certain tranches have received better remuneration in some way, shape or form by making the incentivised tranches subordinate to the ones receiving standard terms of payment.
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Post by ganymede on Jul 10, 2017 9:52:36 GMT
First signs of changes. default loans/Live loans gained an extra column, Bonus Accrual ranging from 3% to 6% for defaults, up to 2.5% for live.
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Post by twoheads on Jul 10, 2017 9:56:01 GMT
First signs of changes. default loans/Live loans gained an extra column, Bonus Accrual ranging from 3% to 6% for defaults, up to 2.5% for live. I just noticed that! I actually started a new thread which I have since deleted having found this thread.
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Post by seeingred on Jul 10, 2017 10:05:04 GMT
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