p2p2p
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Post by p2p2p on Jul 15, 2017 6:13:43 GMT
I'm suggesting a simplification, because I think the site needs to be simple to prosper.
Some people love hugely complicated board games where the rules encompass all the minutiae of the system being modeled, but more people play Ludo.
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Post by fp on Jul 15, 2017 8:06:40 GMT
On this matter then, as the cash back tranche will be kept separate until after interest run, if there is 200k for sale on the original loan, and for whatever reason there is 10k for sale on the cash back tranche, where do the loan sales fall in the queue when it is amalgamated Paul64 ? I thought we have been told that parts for sale at the end of the month would not be paid cashback.* If that's the case, I'd expect any parts for sale on the penultimate day of the month to be withdrawn from sale so that the investor does receive the cashback -- and then be put back up for sale as soon as the cashback is received. If that's what actually happens, the question asked by fp would become moot. * Is this the case? Or am I getting cashback payouts confused with bonus interest payouts? My question is more about how sales queues will be amalgamated, if for instance someone puts parts up for sale now from the cash back tranche and it does not sell, although it is highly unlikely unless something occurs which makes the loan a lot less attractive, where would it fall in the sales queue when the two separate loan listings are amalgamated at the end of the month.
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Post by Paul64 on Jul 15, 2017 9:21:16 GMT
Hi all, the cash back offer and the bonus accrual feature have both been launched as pilot projects in order to evaluate feasibility, time, cost, adverse impacts etc., in an attempt to improve the liquidity of the Available Loans (secondary) market. This is prior, if popular and successful, to making them permanent features. While they are pilots may I ask that you treat them as such and see how they work for you in their current form. Please feedback any comments via support@lendy.co.uk which will be used to hone the schemes over coming months. Thank you. Paul
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Post by rxdav on Jul 15, 2017 10:25:52 GMT
Hi all, the cash back offer and the bonus accrual feature have both been launched as pilot projects in order to evaluate feasibility, time, cost, adverse impacts etc., in an attempt to improve the liquidity of the Available Loans (secondary) market. This is prior, if popular and successful, to making them permanent features. While they are pilots may I ask that you treat them as such and see how they work for you in their current form. Please feedback any comments via support@lendy.co.uk which will be used to hone the schemes over coming months. Thank you. Paul Paul,
I acknowledge that this is a pilot. However, to engage fully the participants need to fully understand the extant rules and regulations - because we aren't playing this game with monopoly money - it's real cash - our real cash.
On this forum are some of the most astute and experienced individuals around with regard to P2P and the various platforms (and I'm not amongst them) - and many are clearly struggling to grasp the detail and nuances of this pilot.
From a relative laymen perspective (although even I have been in P2P for a number of years on several platforms) it's looking increasingly like a bit of a shambles. Having said that, I have now dipped my toe into one low LTV overdue loan (PBL047) to see how this plays out and I have to admit that without the 2% attached bonus I wouldn't have done so previously. Hence I suggest it will likely impact the SM - but exactly how remains shrouded in mist to me?
So - I'm not saying that we don't need some changes, just that those changes need to be thoroughly thought through before a live launch (and you will have a hell of a job persuading me this has) - even if it is a pilot. Furthermore, a cynic (heaven forbid - qui moi !!) might suggest that labelling it a 'pilot' is a rather brazen attempt to justify an apparent lack of serious joined-up thinking and clarity?
I do want this all to work out - for both the platform and lender's sakes - but my perception is that it's currently being 'cobbled together on the hoof'- whether this is the reality or not!?
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jul 15, 2017 10:40:09 GMT
Hi all, the cash back offer and the bonus accrual feature have both been launched as pilot projects in order to evaluate feasibility, time, cost, adverse impacts etc., in an attempt to improve the liquidity of the Available Loans (secondary) market. This is prior, if popular and successful, to making them permanent features. While they are pilots may I ask that you treat them as such and see how they work for you in their current form. Please feedback any comments via support@lendy.co.uk which will be used to hone the schemes over coming months. Thank you. Paul So, in my words as a non-creative writer (these days!) you don't know, and no-one at Lendy does either ... or you are just refusing to answer this question. So, I parrot the words of fp again " My question is more about how sales queues will be amalgamated, if for instance someone puts parts up for sale now from the cash back tranche and it does not sell, although it is highly unlikely unless something occurs which makes the loan a lot less attractive, where would it fall in the sales queue when the two separate loan listings are amalgamated at the end of the month?
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Post by littleoldlady on Jul 15, 2017 10:57:36 GMT
It may be a pilot (but funnily this has only been suggested since many questions were raised) but the system must be currently coded to do something specific in each of the scenarios raised above. All we want is to know what.
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Post by warn on Jul 15, 2017 12:52:08 GMT
I would think that there'd be a stampede of acceptance from most forum members if they were offered the opportunity to apply to beta-test new platform functionality.
One of Lendy's attractions is that you don't even need to ask. So why all the angst?
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jul 15, 2017 12:54:52 GMT
In layman's terms "*well he deleted it so the quote got deleted too*" I do hope our honourable lady moderator doesn't misconstrue this erudite clarification. Thank you Skippers!
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jul 15, 2017 14:49:39 GMT
I do hope our honourable lady moderator doesn't misconstrue this erudite clarification. Thank you Skippers! I decided to delete it, just in case!!!!!
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Post by loftankerman on Jul 15, 2017 14:53:18 GMT
It may be a pilot (but funnily this has only been suggested since many questions were raised) but the system must be currently coded to do something specific in each of the scenarios raised above. All we want is to know what. Having spent 42 years in computing, initially in mainframe hardware systems design and development, I have thought the same myself. On past numerous occasions I have seen little more than bullet pointed wish lists handed down from on high with an expectation that obscure, possibly illogical requirements could be magically spun into what the requesters might one day realise they had wanted. Having believed they may have joined the dots, the implementers' problems are further compounded by being required to integrate the ensuing nonsense into existing systems that have been developed over time using the same doomed approach. I love retirement.
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Post by littleoldlady on Jul 15, 2017 15:20:06 GMT
It may be a pilot (but funnily this has only been suggested since many questions were raised) but the system must be currently coded to do something specific in each of the scenarios raised above. All we want is to know what. Having spent 42 years in computing, initially in mainframe hardware systems design and development, I have thought the same myself. On past numerous occasions I have seen little more than bullet pointed wish lists handed down from on high with an expectation that obscure, possibly illogical requirements could be magically spun into what the requesters might one day realise they had wanted. Having believed they may have joined the dots, the implementers' problems are further compounded by being required to integrate the ensuing nonsense into existing systems that have been developed over time using the same doomed approach. I love retirement. So true. Of course whilst if you are in house development this is a nightmare, if you are a subcontractor it's a licence to print money. BTW I started on Leo I in 1960, that's 57 years ago. I also love retirement.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 15, 2017 15:26:16 GMT
I thought we have been told that parts for sale at the end of the month would not be paid cashback.* If that's the case, I'd expect any parts for sale on the penultimate day of the month to be withdrawn from sale so that the investor does receive the cashback -- and then be put back up for sale as soon as the cashback is received. If that's what actually happens, the question asked by fp would become moot. * Is this the case? Or am I getting cashback payouts confused with bonus interest payouts? My question is more about how sales queues will be amalgamated, if for instance someone puts parts up for sale now from the cash back tranche and it does not sell, although it is highly unlikely unless something occurs which makes the loan a lot less attractive, where would it fall in the sales queue when the two separate loan listings are amalgamated at the end of the month. fp's question is reasonable, and deserves a reply. OTOH, I was thinking that the likelihood of the situation actually happening may be slim. If Lendy developers had similar thoughts, they might not have given much consideration to providing a solution. It might have been totally ignored as a possibility when the programming was done, so could cause a system problem if it actually does occur. ISTM that there are a t least a couple of simple ways of dealing with the situation... - Order the parts based on the date they were offered for sale; or
- Dump the cashback parts at the end of the main queue.
Meanwhile, it will be interesting to see whether there are are any cashback parts for sale at the end of the day on 31/Jul. At the rate the DFL024 cashback parts aren't being snapped up, there well may be!
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jul 15, 2017 15:33:24 GMT
Or it may be that the parts NEVER get amalgamated (see MT for example) and you will forever more have two queues with two different flavours of the same loan (and maybe even N queues/flavours, if future tranches requires CBs of one sort or another as well).
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 15, 2017 15:48:05 GMT
Or it may be that the parts NEVER get amalgamated (see MT for example) and you will forever more have two queues with two different flavours of the same loan (and maybe even N queues/flavours, if future tranches requires CBs of one sort or another as well). I sure hope not! That would add even more complexity to this already complex platform. But Lendy have even more glaring errors to sort out first. The two cashback loans still are showing to be classified as SBL, with -2 days remaining!
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Post by loftankerman on Jul 15, 2017 16:01:15 GMT
Having spent 42 years in computing, initially in mainframe hardware systems design and development, I have thought the same myself. On past numerous occasions I have seen little more than bullet pointed wish lists handed down from on high with an expectation that obscure, possibly illogical requirements could be magically spun into what the requesters might one day realise they had wanted. Having believed they may have joined the dots, the implementers' problems are further compounded by being required to integrate the ensuing nonsense into existing systems that have been developed over time using the same doomed approach. I love retirement. So true. Of course whilst if you are in house development this is a nightmare, if you are a subcontractor it's a licence to print money. BTW I started on Leo I in 1960, that's 57 years ago. I also love retirement. I was a radio officer in the Merchant Navy through the sixites, became a diagnostic engineer in manufacturing with ICL in 1970 and from 1972 onwards worked on the design and development of their large mainframes until they gave them up in 1996. Retired 5 years ago aged 69 after having spent the previous dozen years designing digital set top box software and development tools for a US satellite broadcaster. I had lots of friends who'd worked on Leo. You're part of history ma'am.
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