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Post by username on Jul 10, 2017 21:31:58 GMT
jonah's charts show a positive effect, and some overdue loans such as PBL047 are in high demand!
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Post by username on Jul 10, 2017 21:52:28 GMT
jonah's charts show a positive effect, and some overdue loans such as PBL047 are in high demand! What the... So £7m sitting on the SM and PBL047, 138 days overdue, has fallen £20k On the face of it, low LTV and soon to be high returns of 18%!
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Post by mickj on Jul 10, 2017 21:53:11 GMT
Once was simple and I knew where I was, now not so sure and ...............
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Post by izigor on Jul 10, 2017 21:56:01 GMT
Paul64 Could you clarify something for me please - if you cancel a loan part on the SM, do we still get the Interest for the duration it was listed (up to months end), or has that feature been removed The "Reminder that interest is not paid when loan parts are put up for sale" makes me think that the above may have been removed... but I can't work it out Has the question above been answered yet? If Lendy confirms this (i.e. cancelled for sale loan parts to now still lose interest), Lendy should have been more forthright about it. It isn't good enough that we have to guess such changes. I'm however hoping, while this is a good question for us to be 100% sure, Paul or some Lendy representative, will be here to assure us this isn't the case otherwise, I would view this very negatively.
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Post by izigor on Jul 10, 2017 22:19:05 GMT
I don't think it was ever an actual feature - just a bug that remained after LY introduced the ability to cancel SM listings. Reading in between the lines; I believe that the days of cancelling before EOM to gain interest has finished. Cooling_dude, I very much doubt it is just a bug, since on Lendy's website the following clearly states that interest rates are accrued while up for sale and payable if sale is cancelled: "If a loan part sale is cancelled then you will be reinstated the amount of interest that had accrued for the period it was up for sale, and you shall receive the accrued interest at the end of the month when interest payments are made to investors accounts." See here: support.lendy.co.uk/hc/en-us/articles/115003956505-How-can-I-cancel-the-sale-of-my-loan-part-
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Post by izigor on Jul 10, 2017 22:33:54 GMT
" it was just what happened to come out the other end when they introduced the cancel option"
Ok, so what you are saying is that this interest-restoration feature was a bi-product of their implementation of the cancel option. However, as they state on their website, I think it is reasonable to take it as binding and this is now part of the contract. If there are new terms they have to explicitly notify us. Right?
Now a little bit more importantly, I am a little concerned with "This is also why we see Interest go AWOL if you don't cancel before the new month"
Because this is exactly what's happened to me. I cancelled all parts for sale right at the end of last month (and none of my parts got sold throughout the month) and I've seen myself short of the 1% of balance expected. I am or was expecting the missing bit to appear on this month end. Is that fair or should I be chasing Lendy as you mention it goes AWOL? (I've sold a little bit this month, so that's going to get complicated on knowing whether I'm getting paid those interest or not..)
It's all getting very complicated .. arrrgh. It would have helped if the transactions and interest statements all had a good dashboard where things are clear ..
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Post by registerme on Jul 11, 2017 0:04:25 GMT
izigor in situations like this you should always chase the platform, though a little shared head scratching here can be useful to you, to others, and to platforms...... so no harm in bouncing your situation off the commons .
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 11, 2017 3:30:48 GMT
Has the question above been answered yet? If Lendy confirms this (i.e. cancelled for sale loan parts to now still lose interest), Lendy should have been more forthright about it. It isn't good enough that we have to guess such changes. I'm however hoping, while this is a good question for us to be 100% sure, Paul or some Lendy representative, will be here to assure us this isn't the case otherwise, I would view this very negatively. No I don't think it was ever an actual feature - just a bug that remained after LY introduced the ability to cancel SM listings. Reading in between the lines; I believe that the days of cancelling before EOM to gain interest has finished. This is fine by me, but I think there are going to be a lot of upset investors unnecessarily cancelling (thus going to the back of the queue) and then wondering where their interest is. I await 01/08 with interest... pun not intentional Have we been told when this change -- if it is a change -- is supposed to go into effect? ISTM that we need a volunteer to put a part up for sale and then cancel the sale in a couple of days and report back whether their accrued interest includes those two days or not. And then report again at the end of the month, when the interest is paid, whether they received interest on the part for the time it was for sale.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 11, 2017 3:43:17 GMT
Well it's a good question, but I think you are leaping to a conclusion which isn't there. The key weasel-words are "to the extent that the loan is deemed to be in default" .. whether 30 days overdue is enough, on its own, to trigger a default is not clear .. if the security looks solid enough to (eventually) cover the interest I can see some loans being allowed to run on 'IA' (Interest Accruing) for a lot more than 30 days (not unlike now, where they can get to 180 days before being defaulted). I'm fairly sure it only applies to loans that fall within their current definition of default, ie after the 180 day tolerance period. This would be consistent with their commentary that the change is unlikely to have much practical effect given that SM volumes of such loans has been historically very low at around 1% of SM volume. I would be most interested to see a Lendy loan agreement to see how it defines 'default'. I expect that most ordinary people consider a default to be when a party to a contract fails to keep the terms of the contract. There may be a bit of grace built into the contract, but I'd guess that once the prepaid interest runs out and the borrower doesn't repay the loan, or start paying interest monthly in advance, the contract will say that is a condition of a default. But, of course, that doesn't stop Lendy from deciding not to declare a loan to be a default in public if it doesn't suit their purpose. I can understand their position of not wanting to lose control of a loan by calling in LPA receivers too quickly in a situation where they're confident the loan is well enough secured that repayment of all capital and accrued interest would be achieved in a recovery situation, but it still seems to me that the loan is in default even if Lendy haven't declared it to be.
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Post by elliotn on Jul 11, 2017 3:57:40 GMT
Nobody really thinks that the cashback is 1/12 of their investment do they? Obviously a typo and meant to be 1/12 of the annual interest. I think you're right... I too read this thinking that an immediate 8.33% pay-out would be more then generous - they don't really mean that do they? GeorgeT teased out the difference although lendinglawyer used 8.33% for his exposition.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 11, 2017 4:01:26 GMT
However, a couple of questions spring to mind ( Paul64 , savingstream , Lendy Support ) the first is a trivial one but the second more important in my opinion: 1. Does the bonus accrue only monthly or does it accrue daily? (i.e. if a loan is only 20 days overdue is the bonus zero or do you get 20 days of bonus at half the headline rate?) 2. If an overdue loan is granted an extension, will the bonus reduced accordingly? Personally I would expect a reduced bonus but I ask this for two reasons: (a) An investor holding to (e.g.) four months over term may be looking forward to a 2% bonus and then an extension is granted and the bonus (or part of it) annoyingly disappears. (b) The cynic could say that to reduce the bonus bill, Lendy may be tempted to grant extensions for over term loans which are likely to repay imminently. Discuss... 1) From the numbers in the 'Bonus Interest' column -- before it disappeared -- it seemed pretty clear that it was accrued in monthly chunks at the end of the month. Whether it's the same when the column reappears is anyone's guess. 2) An interesting question, and one that Lendy have to answer clearly in advance if they want the new policy to have the desired effect. Otherwise people will dismiss the incentives as being too 'iffy' to affect their behaviour. IMHO they'll also need to make clear that an extension can be granted only if the borrower clears all their arrears, as otherwise there would be too much scope for granting extensions to save themselves money as noted by twoheads in 2b above. In the past I've assumed that borrowers were charged default penalties when loans became overdue even if Lendy did not pass any of that along to their investors. It would be too easy for them to continue to do that if they granted extensions easily. Unless, of course, the reason that they're starting to pay default interest bonuses to investors is pressure from the FCA. And, particularly if that's the case, once bonus interest is accrued it ought not be allowed to evaporate just because an extension is granted subsequently.
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Post by elliotn on Jul 11, 2017 5:32:33 GMT
can't see owt positive about from the latest missive Nice to be reminded that Lendy still scooping up interest from loans on the sm though - tax free cashback on dfl's should enhance funding to practical completion (could save a develpment which will help all that loan's investors and reinforce platform stability); - variable prefunding might also help loan funding where lenders have the choice to prefund higher rate loans (rather than set a blanket zero to avoid lower rate allocations); - bonus on overdue loans compensates lenders with penalty interest for the increased risk of default; - pausing loans in DEF protects newer investors (as requested by the regulator and common-place on ac/abl etc); - stopping interest on SM sales reduces flipping and encourages longer term investing (good for platform confidence rather than adding to a run on the SM). They are of course the intended positives and CB/bonuses will come out of Ly's margin (albeit with offsetting from SM/SBL interest saved) but the proof will be in roll out and changes in investor behaviour . The main positive of course is that if some of these represent a material step towards authorisation then the platform can continue in business to the benefit of all lenders.
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Post by lendinglawyer on Jul 11, 2017 7:57:57 GMT
I think you're right... I too read this thinking that an immediate 8.33% pay-out would be more then generous - they don't really mean that do they? GeorgeT teased out the difference although lendinglawyer used 8.33% for his exposition. 8.33% is unavoidable when you're talking about 1/12th 😉. But I at least used it as a scale up for monthly interest rather than thinking it is a bullet payment of 1/12th of investment amount which I think very unlikely although you can read the email that way.
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Post by r1200gs on Jul 11, 2017 8:08:16 GMT
This appears to be having the desired effect. Take a look at investor activity on PBL047.
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Post by n on Jul 11, 2017 15:42:18 GMT
Just checked out my account. Yesterday I got my £1 back from PBL089. Today it turns out that yesterday I actually got £0.03 bonus as well (ie the transactions were retrospectively altered again).
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