jonno
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Post by jonno on Jul 27, 2017 10:09:02 GMT
Congratulations on 15% return success with FC! No offense, but I would rather invest £10 in 19% Rebs loan than spending it on a book Jesus; now that IS offensive
I'd rather invest £10 on a blind, three legged Llama running in the Gold Cup than on ANYTHING on ReBS!!
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ceejay
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Post by ceejay on Jul 27, 2017 11:26:31 GMT
Although some of the feedback has been positive, I'm definitely getting more of a negative vibe. My blog is intentionally different. There are a lot of other good blogs out there so I want to try to differentiate mine. The book was part of that. It's absolutely not intended as a scam and if anyone interpreted it that way, I apologise. For that reason, however, the book has to go. Henrik - sorry if you felt it was negative. But it's pretty much inherent in the investing game to have large doses of scepticism. Here is a suggestion which you might want to consider - or not. If you think your book has good content, why not offer it for free? It's a device that fiction sellers use a lot when they are trying to establish a brand. Amazon won't let you do it directly, but you can publish it at zero price elsewhere and then point it out to Amazon, at which point they will price-match. Personally, I felt that you might have something interesting to say on some points but it was all hidden behind "buy the book", which is what makes cynics think of a scam. But make it free, establish your credibility over a period of time, and see where it takes you. Good luck
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pickles
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Post by pickles on Jul 27, 2017 11:53:59 GMT
Hi Pickles. <snip> The conclusion that I've made in the following hypothetical example, is that it doesn't make sense to buy property loans with one month remaining for a 0% premium. Do you disagree? I agree with you 100% on that! I'm not sure why, but parts sell at a premium with 2 or 3 remaining payments, leaving an effective rate to the buyer of 4 - 4.5%. I have no idea why, as you say it doesn't make sense. You asked about my vague comment on your property blog, so to be a bit more specific: You can't sell anything on the secondary market with only a single payment left If you have a 12 month 10% loan and it's 12 months late, you don't have an effective 5% loan, you have an effective 11% loan. 1 in 100 property loans don't default. You can't take the defaults across all loan types, segment by A/B/C rating and apply that to property loans, because they have a different risk profile. If a property loan is refinanced that doesn't show a high risk of the new loan defaulting, all it shows is that the original loan was not for long enough. It's completely normal for property loans, everywhere: builders *always* underestimate! I'm sure there were others...
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Henrik
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Post by Henrik on Jul 27, 2017 12:56:12 GMT
Hi Pickles. <snip> The conclusion that I've made in the following hypothetical example, is that it doesn't make sense to buy property loans with one month remaining for a 0% premium. Do you disagree? I agree with you 100% on that! I'm not sure why, but parts sell at a premium with 2 or 3 remaining payments, leaving an effective rate to the buyer of 4 - 4.5%. I have no idea why, as you say it doesn't make sense. You asked about my vague comment on your property blog, so to be a bit more specific: You can't sell anything on the secondary market with only a single payment left If you have a 12 month 10% loan and it's 12 months late, you don't have an effective 5% loan, you have an effective 11% loan. 1 in 100 property loans don't default. You can't take the defaults across all loan types, segment by A/B/C rating and apply that to property loans, because they have a different risk profile. If a property loan is refinanced that doesn't show a high risk of the new loan defaulting, all it shows is that the original loan was not for long enough. It's completely normal for property loans, everywhere: builders *always* underestimate! I'm sure there were others... You're right that you can't buy with one payment remaining, the minimum is two so I will correct that. How many property loans do default? I've only used figures from the stats book for property loans (I filter out for interest paying only). I get £1.6m of defaults against £360m of property debt issued across all risk bands. That's only 0.4% but I think would expect the default rate to be higher than that so I don't think 1% is too far off. I agree that it's completely normal for property loans to be re-financed. I wouldn't expect all of the late loans to default, but it's possible that some of them might. I think we agree on the fact that people should be careful when buying these loans late into the term and the post is partly to help warn new investors about that. Theoretically, there must be a correct price to buy these loans for. If everyone was fully aware of the issues with property loans then perhaps loans with 2 months remaining would sell at a discount because no one would want to buy them at the same time that no one would want to hold them. If the discount was large enough then I would be prepared to take the risk. Exactly what that discount should be, I don't know but we can have a go at estimating it.
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SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Jul 27, 2017 16:30:43 GMT
If everyone was fully aware of the issues with property loans then perhaps loans with 2 months remaining would sell at a discount because no one would want to buy them at the same time that no one would want to hold them. If the discount was large enough then I would be prepared to take the risk. Exactly what that discount should be, I don't know but we can have a go at estimating it. yangmills already did so here
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chrisf
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Post by chrisf on Jul 29, 2017 20:53:14 GMT
Any muppet can invest on FC and think they are making 15%. If anyone has been doing it for 5 years rather than a few months, then I would be very interested to hear how they do it.
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Post by spiker on Jul 30, 2017 7:35:23 GMT
Any muppet can invest on FC and think they are making 15%. If anyone has been doing it for 5 years rather than a few months, then I would be very interested to hear how they do it. After 5 years of 15% profits, Only a muppet would tell you their strategy
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Post by ratrace on Jul 30, 2017 9:09:46 GMT
Now that FC have moved the loans to fixed rates, then getting 15% over the long term is going to be a big ask. But getting between 9.5% to 10.5% but yet still having no more then 1% in anyone loan is certainly possible with care.
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