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Post by nellerdk on Jan 22, 2018 16:44:28 GMT
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Post by beeje13 on Jan 22, 2018 17:20:20 GMT
I really like those charts. Notice how the 2008 crash recovers in 2 years in all but one category.
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Post by macq on Jan 22, 2018 17:43:03 GMT
interesting chart -could be wrong but looks like the funds are American ETF's rather then active or UK funds which may make a small difference plus or minus but nice to see it laid out
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Post by macq on Jan 22, 2018 17:57:31 GMT
Just spotted this offer on MSE forum which ends today from Orbis Access into their two funds which will match a deposit from £1 (the minimum to open an account) up to a max of £100 if you want to dip in the stock market
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Post by eascogo on Jan 23, 2018 15:20:09 GMT
I like the coloured chart prepared by nellerdk [ here]. This reveals the bottom and top performers over the period 2008-2017. The Small Cap sector comes out best, closely followed by the Mid Cap and Large Cap. The Commodity sector is in deeply negative territory and by far the worst performer--am puzzled by this. Less surprising is to find that Cash returns are barely above zero and should also be perceived to be negative once inflation is considered. I used the figures given in nellerdk's chart in a spreadsheet [attached]. In several cases my 10-year figures are at variance with those of the chart [see spreadsheet last two columns]. Whatever the reason the broad thrust of the results still stand. I am increasingly fidgety with P2P [overexposure in a few loans and too many warning signs of poor-quality loans]. I am looking at S&S investments as a long-term alternative. I have five digits of loans in default that might take forever to resolve. I can't be alone in wanting to reduce exposure to platform risks and dodgy loans. I am already invested with Fundsmith but perhaps Vanguard LifeStrategy 80% or Vanguard Global Small Cap could also be considered. Vanguard has low annual charges [0.22 and 0.38 respectively) and good performance figures but Fundsmith consistently performed well above sector average [global large-cap] over the last five years. Annual charges are higher though [1%]. I welcome any thoughts about these funds. Of course there are many other possibilities but I am not bold enough to try my luck investing in individual S&S. Links to Financial Times market data for all three funds mentioned are given below. markets.ft.com/data/funds/tearsheet/summary?s=GB00B4Q5X527:GBPmarkets.ft.com/data/funds/tearsheet/summary?s=GB00B4PQW151:GBPmarkets.ft.com/data/funds/tearsheet/summary?s=IE00B3X1NT05:GBPreturn by sector 2007-17.ods (15.42 KB)
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Post by ozboy on Jan 23, 2018 15:40:41 GMT
I'm with "Our Tel" too (Terry Smith), and have been since the beginning. He speaks a LOT of sense when he opens his mouth, and writes stuff that is even better! Can't argue against Vanguard either, although I'm not with them. Everything looks increasingly rocky at the mo, where to go??!!! Certainly my gut feeling is an upcoming shake-up (shake-down?!) in P2P this year. None of this is investment advice.
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Post by macq on Jan 23, 2018 16:02:40 GMT
If going with Vanguard i would look at their own platform which only charges 0.15% fee plus the fund fee.The small cap fund has done well and in an article on Trustnet a few weeks back was mentioned as being one of the top global funds over 10 years (as well as having i believe low volatility )Could not find the link but may come up on a search. Mentioned in another post that i spotted on MSE yesterday people posting about Orbis Access who are offering 2 funds fee free if their results do not hit their target in any year which may appeal & the funds seem to have been good performers. Have been in Fundsmith for a few years and there always seems somebody writing that its good results can't continue but so far so good-also coming from a pension back ground hopefully Mr Smith is looking long term.Would also recommend Monks & Scottish Mortgage IT's from Baillie Gifford (but SM can be more risk)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 16:21:56 GMT
I've been with Terry since the start, you might also like Lindsell Train
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Post by ozboy on Jan 23, 2018 16:25:48 GMT
I seem to recall that LT follow a very similar philosophy to Fundsmith? "Buy good companies, don't overpay for them, and then do nothing", or some such.
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Post by ozboy on Jan 23, 2018 16:36:02 GMT
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Post by littleoldlady on Jan 23, 2018 16:53:23 GMT
The Terry Smith secret is to start a new fund at the bottom of the market after a major crash. If you can time it right anyone can look good.
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Post by macq on Jan 23, 2018 17:03:24 GMT
The Terry Smith secret is to start a new fund at the bottom of the market after a major crash. If you can time it right anyone can look good. There may be some truth in that about the timing but i am glad he shared the secret .Also the same could be said about many trackers/ETF's that have launched over the last 10 years (and been pushed heavily at first time investors)only time will tell.But if memory serves he had been successful before that-and hopefully having his own money in it will be an incentive!
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Post by littleoldlady on Jan 23, 2018 18:13:59 GMT
The Terry Smith secret is to start a new fund at the bottom of the market after a major crash. If you can time it right anyone can look good. There may be some truth in that about the timing but i am glad he shared the secret .Also the same could be said about many trackers/ETF's that have launched over the last 10 years (and been pushed heavily at first time investors)only time will tell.But if memory serves he had been successful before that-and hopefully having his own money in it will be an incentive! As an executive but not as a fund manager.
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Post by macq on Jan 23, 2018 18:30:22 GMT
Fair point (and author as well) but whatever his title i will stick with him a bit longer while waiting for a possible lapse - it could have been worse i could have picked Manek Growth
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 18:38:53 GMT
The Terry Smith secret is to start a new fund at the bottom of the market after a major crash. If you can time it right anyone can look good. I'm not so sure that is the secret, other people started at the same time and did not do as well. I've followed him since he lectured me back in the 1980s on my MBA and I've dined with him since, and he chooses very well and keeps his costs way down. Even his FEET trust, he didn't really want to start but did because of customer demand, and it started by not doing well but it is up nicely too. His Fund selection is mainly defensive and yet has grown in the 16 to 22% every year. I chatted to LT about their performance last year and they had to admit that two of their investments had just "come right" they had no real idea why and they reckoned they just got lucky. Nice to hear such honesty.
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