mrp2p
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Post by mrp2p on Sept 1, 2017 21:28:46 GMT
Hi everyone.
I've been browsing this forum for a while. Digesting what I can from various threads and learning as I'm a complete novice to this side of finance.
I've around £200,000 coming to me in various sized chunks from various property investments etc. There is no chance I'm letting it sit in the bank earning FA!! so I'm after some advise if you don't mind.
I'm considering splitting it over a number of lenders and pulling it out in 12-18months time as I'll need it back for another property investment.
I'm not risk averse but I can't afford to lose any serious money (say 20-30k of it) but am willing to risk it being in a fund and only coming back out with the 200k, if that makes sense.
Also, I can spare time daily to read up, move investments around etc. I'd like some I can just leave but will quite enjoy the selecting funds part.
If you had carte blanche over my finances what would you advise.
Thanks in advance 👍
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Post by macq on Sept 1, 2017 22:34:12 GMT
think most people will agree with the above.If you know you will want the money back most forms of investment will come with a risk over a short period(even property).You mention funds so would guess you are looking at the so called lower risk products that are a fund of loans paying a set rate rather then picking your own loans.Pretty sure most will tell you even that is risk
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Post by bg on Sept 2, 2017 7:50:06 GMT
Hi everyone. I've been browsing this forum for a while. Digesting what I can from various threads and learning as I'm a complete novice to this side of finance. I've around £200,000 coming to me in various sized chunks from various property investments etc. There is no chance I'm letting it sit in the bank earning FA!! so I'm after some advise if you don't mind. I'm considering splitting it over a number of lenders and pulling it out in 12-18months time as I'll need it back for another property investment. I'm not risk averse but I can't afford to lose any serious money (say 20-30k of it) but am willing to risk it being in a fund and only coming back out with the 200k, if that makes sense. Also, I can spare time daily to read up, move investments around etc. I'd like some I can just leave but will quite enjoy the selecting funds part. If you had carte blanche over my finances what would you advise. Thanks in advance 👍 I would say that assuming you build a well diversified portfolio, the two risks you have of losing a serious chunk are a) platform fraud and b) a serious economic downturn with related property crash. The other big risk is liquidity risk, i.e. You invest but can't get the cash out in 18 months when you need it. I think the risks for a) are very low (especially for FCA regulated platforms) and b) are low but anything could happen with brexit (although presumably the property you are buying would also fall in price). You need to make your own assessment of both risks and decide if you are comfortable investing. If it were me, the first thing I would do is put the cash in "access" style accounts so I get an instant return and maintain liquidity and then start dripping amounts into higher risk platforms as I find my feet. So I would start off something like:- Assetz Capital QAA account 60k (earning 3.75%) Assetz Capital 30DAA account 60k (earning 4.25%) Market Invoice 80k (earning 5-7%) This will give you around 10k pa income off the bat and all will be accessible within 30 days or so. Your liquidity risk is extremely low in this structure. I would then start investing in individual loans in Assetz, funding secure and maybe ablrate, lendy and money thing....but I would probably limit this to £50k or so (depending on how confident I got) and I would make sure I was fairly well diversified (no more than 2-3k per loan) and the loans I were choosing would be ones I could sell very easily. This will boost your returns. This is what I would do but it depends on your attitude to risk.
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Post by nellerdk on Sept 2, 2017 8:02:43 GMT
There is no chance I'm letting it sit in the bank earning FA!! just be aware, that when most wealthy people think this way, both bond and stock prices get pushed into bubble territory. My advice would be to spread some of your money on different P2P platforms, and to buy rental real estate, where you receive money each month from the people who rent it.
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Post by davee39 on Sept 2, 2017 8:48:19 GMT
£85k in a 12 month FCA protected account with Ford Money @ 1.7% is a risk free option.
Consider Assetz instant/30day accounts & Octopus Choice for around 4%
I have some funds in a corporate bond tracker @ 2.5% and various higher risk bond funds @ around 6%
I am not sure stock market investment is advisable in your case due to the limited timescale.
Before considering the keep it all in the Bank suggestion, think about if your own property plans would still be viable if market conditions were so bad that solid platforms could not meet their instant access obligations.
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Post by btc on Sept 2, 2017 13:24:50 GMT
Have a look at Collateral (12 to 15%), there are plenty of decent loans on there. You can put the full 200K on there, and there is some cashback available
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Post by bg on Sept 2, 2017 15:36:14 GMT
Have a look at Collateral (12 to 15%), there are plenty of decent loans on there. You can put the full 200K on there, and there is some cashback available Is there? I've looked at Collateral a few times but there are not many loans. There's only been 2 on the PM for the past few days and another few on the SM (woth a few days remaining). I wouldn't risk diversifying between so few loans for such a short length of time (and in such high risk loans).
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Post by btc on Sept 2, 2017 19:42:40 GMT
There are some longer term ones if you are on at the right time. I will be listing some 180 day ones on Sunday and Monday.
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btc
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Post by btc on Sept 2, 2017 19:50:00 GMT
Also, loans with short day (eg 11 days) still sells
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Post by martin44 on Sept 2, 2017 20:02:00 GMT
Have a look at Collateral (12 to 15%), there are plenty of decent loans on there. You can put the full 200K on there, and there is some cashback available But try and avoid cars and the odd dubious commercial property. 😉
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Post by daveb4 on Sept 2, 2017 20:04:45 GMT
Getting money out of specific loans on a certain day is serious risk.
Already we see:
- seasonal buy and sell times, eg can be difficult sell without discounts in March as many sell re tax year end - platforms can become unpopular very quickly and unless you are prepared to offer heavy discounts and be lucky you may not be able to sell until loan term - generally a particular loan can be popular to start with but some poor info later and again you will be in for term - loans that go into default can take 6-18 months to get some of your money back if you do. - getting £200k invested across platforms and loans will take some time
Bottom line needing money back at a certain time is high risk and as soon as you start putting money in you will need to start taking it out again.
Saying that, today is quite a good time to sell and I think I could probably get back 80% of my portfolio within a week another 15% within a month and the rest eg possible defaults/problems over a year all without discounts. Tomorrow these numbers could significantly change.
If you put your amount of potential risk in a number of platforms eg £40k per platform and if 2 platforms have problems when you need the money you could be £80k short?
My thoughts, you are prepared to loose £30k, put that in and earn some decent returns on this over the next 18 months and hope it us a good time to sell in 12/18 months.
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Post by bg on Sept 2, 2017 20:16:04 GMT
Also, loans with short day (eg 11 days) still sells For now maybe but as they continue to ramp up the very high risk, high LTV development and bridging loans and move away from their original pawn model then without being able to sell at a discount this will soon change. Look at Lendy as a good example (set up for boat loans), they now focus on big bridging loans (as it's easier to make larger fees) and after a period there was a wave of defaults and the SM was flooded - not too long ago it was the boards favourite. The honeymoon period on Collateral won't last for too much longer. I'm looking for a home for funds I'm moving out of FC but Collateral isn't quite ticking the boxes for me right now and I certainly wouldn't recommend it for a short term home for £200k (not that I think you could diversify anyway nearly sufficiently enough).
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Post by df on Sept 2, 2017 21:34:46 GMT
Hi everyone. I've been browsing this forum for a while. Digesting what I can from various threads and learning as I'm a complete novice to this side of finance. I've around £200,000 coming to me in various sized chunks from various property investments etc. There is no chance I'm letting it sit in the bank earning FA!! so I'm after some advise if you don't mind. I'm considering splitting it over a number of lenders and pulling it out in 12-18months time as I'll need it back for another property investment. I'm not risk averse but I can't afford to lose any serious money (say 20-30k of it) but am willing to risk it being in a fund and only coming back out with the 200k, if that makes sense. Also, I can spare time daily to read up, move investments around etc. I'd like some I can just leave but will quite enjoy the selecting funds part. If you had carte blanche over my finances what would you advise. Thanks in advance 👍 In this scenario I would recommend to go for auto-investment maintenance free accounts with quick and easy exit: 1. Assetz Capital 30DAA - 4.25%, 30 days notice to withdraw. 2. Bond Mason - 6.5%, sell out is usually within few days. 3. Growth Street - 5.9% (constantly declining, but hopefully won't go below 4% by this time next year), the loans are 1 month term, so no more than a month to get your money back. 4. Funding Circle - 7.5%, selling out is quick as SM is very liquid.
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Post by elephantrosie on Sept 3, 2017 0:40:08 GMT
Have a look at Collateral (12 to 15%), there are plenty of decent loans on there. You can put the full 200K on there, and there is some cashback available But try and avoid cars and the odd dubious commercial property. 😉 why avoid cars?
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Post by kaya on Sept 3, 2017 8:31:07 GMT
Because they can run you over? - and then perhaps vanish over the horizon with the boot full of our cash.
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