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Post by invester on Sept 4, 2017 6:41:40 GMT
Just wondering if anyone has any experience of Vanguard (www.vanguard.co.uk), and the products they offer. Particularly important for me is the taxation - I have negligible capital gains at the moment, so would any increases in the values of these investments be covered by my CGT allowance in future?
As a bonus it seems with some of these products you can diversify away in other things. ATM I think overall I am overweight in UK property, both business and residential.
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Post by r00lish67 on Sept 4, 2017 7:16:42 GMT
Just wondering if anyone has any experience of Vanguard (www.vanguard.co.uk), and the products they offer. Particularly important for me is the taxation - I have negligible capital gains at the moment, so would any increases in the values of these investments be covered by my CGT allowance in future? As a bonus it seems with some of these products you can diversify away in other things. ATM I think overall I am overweight in UK property, both business and residential. Hi invester . As Vanguard is by most measures the second largest investment management company in the world, I suspect quite a few of us use their products Its primary products are mutual funds and ETF's, typically used to track the world's stock markets in various shapes ways and sizes, so it's really an entirely different asset class to P2P (although there will be products that have some correlatation). I'd say they're best known for low-cost passive index funds. As to why they might be good, take a look here for starts: monevator.com/index-investing/Re: tax, Vanguard is the same as everyone else i.e. if you put their products in an ISA don't worry about it, if not then you need to factor in CGT/Dividend Tax if your investments are large enough. Finally, you're probably better off posting stock market type things in this thread: p2pindependentforum.com/post/205877/thread ...unless you're talking about some esoteric Vanguard P2P product that I'm not aware of.
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Post by macq on Sept 4, 2017 8:24:08 GMT
Would also be worth reading up on pound-cost averaging(and verses lump sums)especially in relation to long term investing and how it may help in markets falls.A lump sum could grow quicker as your fully invested but the reverse is also true prehaps more so with trackers.Depending on age & outlook you may also want to look at funds/ITs/Shares that pay income or dividends
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Post by dan1 on Sept 4, 2017 8:49:19 GMT
Just wondering if anyone has any experience of Vanguard (www.vanguard.co.uk), and the products they offer. Particularly important for me is the taxation - I have negligible capital gains at the moment, so would any increases in the values of these investments be covered by my CGT allowance in future? As a bonus it seems with some of these products you can diversify away in other things. ATM I think overall I am overweight in UK property, both business and residential. Vanguard are best known in the UK for their low cost index funds & ETFs. They've recently launched their own platform, which I think is what you're referring to in www.vanguard.co.uk, to allow you to hold Vanguard products direct with Vanguard. Previously, the minimum direct investment in one of their funds was £100k. Their platform charges a fee of 0.15% pa, this is equivalent to, say, HL although with Vanguard you can only hold Vanguard products. In terms of taxation, be careful of accumulation funds because tax is still due on reinvesting dividends as well as CGT. You'll need to utilise your CGT by crystallising those gains (or losses!), see here, for example. As always, please do your own research and just be careful of vested interests. e.g. be mindful of platforms that push high cost active funds in their literature despite a large proportion of money flowing into passive investment vehicles.
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Post by Steerpike on Sept 4, 2017 9:02:00 GMT
The Vanguard platform fee is .15% on the first £250,000 and then no charge on funds over £250,000, whereas HL charge 0.45% per annum on the first £250,000 of funds, 0.25% for funds between £250,000 and £1m, 0.1% for funds between £1m and £2m, and no charge on the value of funds over £2m.
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Post by macq on Sept 4, 2017 10:26:18 GMT
While costs are important & even more so with trackers its also worth looking at say the performance charts on Citywire as some of the Vanguard lifestrategy range are not doing that great over time but as first to market this type of fund in someways,they cornered the market.But there are similar products such as Blackrock consensus, L & G multi index and an HSBC range that don't cost much more if using a fund platform & in some cases are doing better
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Post by hazellend on Sept 4, 2017 10:29:11 GMT
While costs are important & even more so with trackers its also worth looking at say the performance charts on Citywire as some of the Vanguard lifestrategy range are not doing that great over time but as first to market this type of fund in someways,they cornered the market.But there are similar products such as Blackrock consensus, L & G multi index and an HSBC range that don't cost much more if using a fund platform & in some cases are doing better If they are doing better they are not tracking the same assets. The lifestrategy funds basically do exactly what the are supposed to do. They are not market weighted as they are slighty overweighted to the UK market by design.
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Post by macq on Sept 4, 2017 11:04:43 GMT
While costs are important & even more so with trackers its also worth looking at say the performance charts on Citywire as some of the Vanguard lifestrategy range are not doing that great over time but as first to market this type of fund in someways,they cornered the market.But there are similar products such as Blackrock consensus, L & G multi index and an HSBC range that don't cost much more if using a fund platform & in some cases are doing better If they are doing better they are not tracking the same assets. The lifestrategy funds basically do exactly what the are supposed to do. They are not market weighted as they are slighty overweighted to the UK market by design. True that is why i mentioned the Lifestrategy funds as they seem to get mentioned a lot as trackers where like the others mentioned they are multi asset low cost bundles of trackers but with some minor management involved which is why Citywire etc show them in charts against managed funds.Would also say the higher up the % range you go they are overweight the US market
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Post by jonah on Sept 4, 2017 20:04:33 GMT
The Vanguard platform fee is .15% on the first £250,000 and then no charge on funds over £250,000, whereas HL charge 0.45% per annum on the first £250,000 of funds, 0.25% for funds between £250,000 and £1m, 0.1% for funds between £1m and £2m, and no charge on the value of funds over £2m. Or iWeb where there some dealing charges but no holding charges... If you are picking a platform, monevator.com is definitely worth a read for their broker table alone.
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Post by jonah on Sept 4, 2017 20:07:17 GMT
If they are doing better they are not tracking the same assets. The lifestrategy funds basically do exactly what the are supposed to do. They are not market weighted as they are slighty overweighted to the UK market by design. True that is why i mentioned the Lifestrategy funds as they seem to get mentioned a lot as trackers where like the others mentioned they are multi asset low cost bundles of trackers but with some minor management involved which is why Citywire etc show them in charts against managed funds.Would also say the higher up the % range you go they are overweight the US market On my to do list for the weekend is to review my weightings in shares, funds etc. I've cash in both VLS and multi index funds, partially for diversification but also for different timelines. I hadn't actually done a recent comparison of their growth so something else for the to do list.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 5, 2017 8:00:08 GMT
On the topic of fees, HL's rather large 0.45% is applied differently to oeics, etfs, and shares (including ITs), so it requires careful study of what to hold where. If you buy/sell lots of oeics then HLs 0.45% is offset by the no fee purchase/sale, compared to somewhere like iii which'll charge you £10 for an oeic purchase last time i looked.
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Post by jlend on Sept 5, 2017 8:13:11 GMT
On the topic of fees, HL's rather large 0.45% is applied differently to oeics, etfs, and shares (including ITs), so it requires careful study of what to hold where. If you buy/sell lots of oeics then HLs 0.45% is offset by the no fee purchase/sale, compared to somewhere like iii which'll charge you £10 for an oeic purchase last time i looked. I know from my own experience that HL are willing to reduce their fee below 0.45% for investments below 250k if you tell them you are thinking of moving to a cheaper platform.
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Post by dan1 on Sept 5, 2017 8:30:09 GMT
On the topic of fees, HL's rather large 0.45% is applied differently to oeics, etfs, and shares (including ITs), so it requires careful study of what to hold where. If you buy/sell lots of oeics then HLs 0.45% is offset by the no fee purchase/sale, compared to somewhere like iii which'll charge you £10 for an oeic purchase last time i looked. From memory, III charge £20 per quarter and give you £20 trading credit, i.e. 2 free trades. Generalisation but flat fee brokers win for large portfolios, percentage for small. HL have fee caps for shares, ITs & ETFs so for large non-fund portfolios they are a flat fee broker.
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Post by jlend on Sept 5, 2017 9:48:09 GMT
On the topic of fees, HL's rather large 0.45% is applied differently to oeics, etfs, and shares (including ITs), so it requires careful study of what to hold where. If you buy/sell lots of oeics then HLs 0.45% is offset by the no fee purchase/sale, compared to somewhere like iii which'll charge you £10 for an oeic purchase last time i looked. From memory, III charge £20 per quarter and give you £20 trading credit, i.e. 2 free trades. Generalisation but flat fee brokers win for large portfolios, percentage for small. HL have fee caps for shares, ITs & ETFs so for large non-fund portfolios they are a flat fee broker. HI also have a fee cap for bonds
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