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Post by happy on Nov 16, 2016 10:12:55 GMT
It is my opinion that AC would do far better to say outright that all "green" loans will be fully allocated to the GEIA account while there is a shortfall of loans available to it (then put any surplus onto the MLIA SM). Messing around MLIA investors with silly piddling little two figure allocations, while refusing to let those investors know in advance how much cash they are likely to need to fund them, is a disrespectful practice. I see no reason why these loans should not be exclusive to the GEIA. If people want to invest in them they should open a GEIA. Good value at 7% protected, while 8% is not, though we know 7% is not going to lat much longer! (I did not ask for any of these WT loan parts). Agreed to a point... lack of the promised 'proper' divesification within the GBBA/GEIA coupled with the inability to sell out of specific loans when your comfort level is exceeded or you need funds elsewhere makes the direct MLIA investment route still the favoured option for me, I limit my total GBBA/GEIA investment amount to keep my potential max 20% per loan diversification within my personal loan limit, making them inappropriate for all but a small percentage of my AC money. If they fixed the diversification issue I would probably be happy to go much more towards GBBA/GEIA. Here's hoping this is somewhere near the front of Chris's list of 300 things to do.
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Post by happy on Nov 16, 2016 9:28:27 GMT
There were a couple of loans that drew down last week that took well over 24 hours to be fully distributed to lenders so I am hoping this is the case with these, if not I will be changing my name to oldgrumpyToo!
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Post by happy on Nov 16, 2016 9:17:29 GMT
So what did everyone get on the 3 windmills that drew down yesterday? Strangely I got 2 allocations overnight for each in my GEIA totalling £450 for #356, £150 for #357 and £540 for #358 but in my MLIA I got just over £40 for #356 and nothing so far for the other two. I hope distribution is still in progress otherwise I will be brutally dissapointed with the MLIA allocation
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Post by happy on Nov 11, 2016 19:34:38 GMT
There is always some delay between a loan drawing down and then buy instructions being fulfilled, so a bit of patience goes a long way. Normally a loan that draws down say in the afternoon will have loan instructions processed later that evening/overnight but 368 was an unusually long delay. I see 369 and 370 have both been drawn and buy instructions processed in a timely manner today.
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Post by happy on Nov 11, 2016 15:47:32 GMT
sorry! correct 368, typing on tablet keyboard not my best skill I only asked for £288 as not my fav loan for abigger investment and got the lot, there is currently over £17k on the market though if you want more
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Post by happy on Nov 11, 2016 14:10:34 GMT
Personally I very much doubt you are just doing 'research' hence my use of quotation mark that you seemed to have missed the subtlety of.
Far too much innuendo and insinuation of dubious practice on the part of the platform for me to see your contributions here in a good light unfortunately, constructive and informative debate it is certainly not!
Never seen anything like it here or any other forum to be honest and I hope I never do again......
EDIT: post crossed with Andrew Holgate. I hear you, I was done anyway. Many Thanks AC.
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Post by happy on Nov 11, 2016 13:30:25 GMT
I for one am taking serious exception to the way you are using this public forum to conduct your 'research' into a product you quite obviously do not like and seem determined to show is flawed and should not be invested in. I will be blocking all posts from you from now on and I suggest that anyone else on this forum that feels similar does the same.
Please will you conduct this activity in a private manner perhaps via a dialogue directly with AC via PM or their customer services facility.
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Post by happy on Nov 11, 2016 7:47:38 GMT
268 finally disributed last night around 11pm
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Post by happy on Nov 10, 2016 20:17:18 GMT
or perhaps chris has let his draw-down hamster escape
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Post by happy on Nov 10, 2016 19:55:20 GMT
I got zero of loan 368. Why put it in the pipeline at all if your not going to get anything ?! So has anyone managed to actually buy anything on 368? I also got nothing and nothing on the market, so where did it all go!
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Post by happy on Nov 9, 2016 18:17:57 GMT
The major difference* is that you don't know how much is being invested in loans and how much is being held back in cash at any one time. How the company decides on appropriate cash levels and when. Why is this in any way a problem? Having a cash reserve structured into an investment product reduced risk, increases liquidity and also enhances the products ability to invest in new investment opportunities. This is exactly the way I structure my SIPP and for similar reasons so to me this makes perfect sense. As to how much in the QAA is in cash I am sure that there are very few investors that would be able to make any meaningful use of any data that could be provided by AC without an intimate understanding of how the AC platform operates and it's transaction volumes etc, something that AC would never reasonably be expected to make public so I feel this is a mute point What types of loans it invests in: whether it is short term or long term investments, what maximum amounts are apportioned to each loan or each lending class in stressed scenarios Well as Andrew described loan types vary and again may represent commercially sensitive information to disclose publicly. Loan term again is a varying feast and anyway with all Zopa and RateSetter products you never know what terms you are buying into anyway. Actually if you compare AC, RateSetter and Zopa I would certainly put RateSetter and Zopa in the P2P for non-sophisticated investors in terms of how they are marketed rather than AC, however these companies products provide almost no information about who you are lending to, it could be a car loan, a BTL, an unsecured SME loan, someone buying a mobile phone or almost anything so how can you make any meaningful judgement on risk. In fact RateSetter and Zopa are free to develop new lending channels to totally different risk categories without any lender ever knowing about it or in fact every being told. If you want to estimate the loans sitting behind the QAA go and pick a random 100 out of the last 200 loans and that should give you a better idea of the underlying risk than you will get on the other plaforms (AC doesn't have as many loans as Ratesetter or Zopa do at any one time so lack of any information on diversification may be a serious issue). Loan diversification obviously has a place in the risk profile and you are right to mention it but as you are investing in a loan pool every investor has the same percentage exposure to each loan. More importantly, the reason loan diversification is so important with RateSetter and Zopa is that most of their loan are unsecured so risk of capital loss on default is very high. AC QAA loans however, as well as having a Provision Fund are all secured loans as well , most on property so you capital risk profile is totally different and does not stand up to comparison with the lending done by RateSetter and Zopa. Who ranks where in case of bad debts, holding which loans. All QAA investors are equal and all have equal rights to asset recovery and PF protection Moreover, the company has said (correct me if this is wrong) that it engages in short term trading with those loans to facilitate liquidity (I don't believe any other company does this?). Why would you think that it would not do this? it would be essential to buy into new loans, increase diversification as the number of loans on the platform increases, spread risk into other asset classes. In all honesty the fact that other companies do not (or more likely cannot) do this is not a negative of AC QAA, it is a positive. The company states that the account is aimed at the more inexperienced investor and I maintain that you have to have much more experience and understanding in order to begin to get your head around this product and judge whether the rate on offer is sufficient compensation for the risks.
As I suggested above, I see the total black box nature of simple-to-use offerings from the like RateSetter and Zopa (which, I would like to point out I also have investments in both these platforms) in predominantly unsecured loans that you will never know the borrower or their risk profile/credit rating, asset class, term, securing assets (or not) etc as far harder to ever understand in terms of where your money is, how at risk is it, when it is likely to come back and so on. I do this for some of my investment and it requires endless spreadsheet manipulation to get just the basic information of what constitutes you loan portfolio. As I said earlier, if you want a good idea of the assets underpinning the QAA, go and look at the loan book as about 50% of the loans there make up the QAA. Lastly, peer2peer investments are highly illiquid by their nature and most other companies I am aware of, don't try to attempt to mould this fact into something that it cannot be, in their product offerings, through 'clever' modelling which the company said is akin to a 'blackbox'.
I was going to describe how liquid most P2P platforms are under normal market conditions and how easy (and cheap!) it is to buy and sell loans but Chris already did that. You can't say the same for the stock market with all the broker fees etc. Many companies do try and shape there offerings to meet different requirements, Zopa do it, Ratesetter do it, LandBay do it, Wellesley do it (I think) where longer-term loans are wrapped into short-term products. But as long as it 'works', I will continue to receive abuse and threats.*I am not a fan of these models either (though see them as different to QAA) and it looks like Ratesetter may have 'modelled' their assumptions inaccurately, looking at the speed at which the provision fund cover is decreasing.Agreed, but bottom line for me on this is this: RateSetter and Zopa are well and truly aiming their products (with the obvious exception perhaps of Zopa Plus) at the novice, unsophisticated user yet I believe these are products where risk is almost totally hidden from all but the most determined of sophisticated lenders. I do not see AC doing that in the same way. Their loan portfolio is there for all to see and the site is littered with warnings about capital risk and I am sure they have taken advice on the strength of the warnings etc to comply with appropriate legislation. Enough said, enjoy your evening.
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Post by happy on Nov 9, 2016 15:00:47 GMT
Hi dandy . OK here is an AC investor perspective for you to balance what has gone before in this thread. I have resisted my overwhelming desire to respond to the other poster on this thread as I did not feel it would lead anywhere but you ask a valid question that deserved a proper reply. I have invested in AC for around 18 months, one of 7 P2P platforms I use and I have a mid 5-figure sum invested here, my second largest platform investment right now and probably will be my major one as time goes on. I use all the accounts but major on MLIA with smaller holdings in GBBA, GEIA, 30 Day and QAA. I see no additional risk in the 30day/QAA over and above other short-term P2P accounts such as RateSetter Monthly or even Zopa Access. They all invest your money in a pool of loans that you cannot usefully identify in any way, you also cannot choose the loans you invest in and they also all have provision funds protecting them. To suggest that the QAA somehow constitutes a different asset class to similar products in the market seems to me to be unfounded and misleading to potential investors. These other RateSetter and Zopa accounts also all have potential limitations on your ability to remove money from them in the event of abnormal market conditions where liquidity is restricted. So, for instance, if you put money in the RateSetter Monthly account and they do not have enough new money in their market when you want your money out or at the end of your term then you are locked into the loans you have for their term or until more new money arrives to take over your loans. Bottom line is they all require other lenders money to buy out your loan obligations, non negotiable! Where the QAA differs from these similar RS and Zopa accounts, much for the better in my opinion, is that it is structured with a cash reserve, so it should be much more resilient to short-term liquidity fluctuations and it also means that as long as the cash reserve remains you do not need other lenders money to get out. Lets face it, even with cash in the bank you won't get your money out straight away if there there is a run on the bank so absolute liquidity does not exist outside of cash under the mattress, but that carries other risks as well of course! I am happy with the diversification and cash reserve approach of the QAA although I agree with andrewholgate that it could do with some more publicly available information to provide more investor confidence. I also have reservations on the diversification in the GBBA/GEIA but for smaller amounts of £5k or so this is not really a problem for me short-term and AC know this is an issue they are planning to deal with in the near future. Don't be mistaken, like all P2P platforms AC is not perfect and any investment comes with risk but I believe overall AC are professional in their DD, their on-going loan management and communication and they do engage with and listen to their investor community and it is for this reason I cannot accept aggressive posters with some personal agenda creating a public perception that this is a bad place to put your money. This is not investment advice and represents my own personal experience and views but I hope it provides some balance for you on the matter. Good luck! EDIT: P.S> the QAA/30Day also give a better rate than RateSetter Monthly and Zopa Access right now.
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Post by happy on Nov 7, 2016 19:31:54 GMT
andrewholgate Can I ask a stupid question here? If people don't like investing in the QAA can't they just "park" money in the MLIA or cash account and have the QAA set to sweep unused funds? This way the funds are immediately available through either MLIA or cash account? It seems a no-brainer to me. If you do that then the funds are still being invested into the QAA, so there is still risk involved. You're just telling the system to automatically withdraw those funds once they can be put to use elsewhere. However this is an opt-in facility and people don't have to use it. If they choose lenders can leave their funds sat idle in the cash account or MLIA and those funds won't touch the QAA or any account other than the one they explicitly transfer them into. QAA sweeping is a convenience function for those that are happy with the account and would rather their funds weren't left idle if there is opportunity for them to earn some interest, albeit at a lower rate than they are targeting in the longer term. I have to say chris it's good to have you back on the forum. Your contibutions are almost always on point and they are a large part of the confidence I have in my level of investment in AC. Long may it continue.
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Post by happy on Oct 28, 2016 12:44:45 GMT
Also got out of 208 early and only ever in for a small amount. Annoyingly I stayed out of 174 from the start but then my small GBBA investment went and bought over £250 when I wasn't looking Well even though I'm not getting a chance of the 13.75% interest that is potentially accruing at least I may get to see the PF in action, fairly likely IMHO with an 88% LTV!
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Post by happy on Oct 27, 2016 18:49:47 GMT
All these "inflated/ upgraded" risk bands started immediately after Filtered C**p imposed fixed interest loans. Does anyone know if figures are available for defaults in all the risk bands just on SME loans authorised after the auctions finished?
PS yorkshireman Did you get caught on this one? Here is some quick analysis I did last December to confirm my hunch that risk band allocation moved significantly after fixed rate arrived. not totally accurate as does not factor in new risk bands added (E arrived mid 2015 IIRC) etc but reasonably reflective of the change that happened. Once the (intelligent) market bidders stopped setting the rate based on assessed risk then FC were able to redefine their risk bands with nothing the market could do. This info was my primary reason for stopping FC SME, enjoy loan book analysed December 2015 all time loans to December 2015 A+ Loans Initiated 3184 21.47% A Loans Initiated 4270 28.79% B Loans Initiated 3446 23.23% C Loans Initiated 2650 17.87% D Loans Initiated 1135 7.65% E Loans Initiated 150 1.01% AFTER FIXED RATE to December 2015 A+ Loans Initiated 577 35.64% A Loans Initiated 394 24.34% B Loans Initiated 274 16.92% C Loans Initiated 133 8.21% D Loans Initiated 84 5.19% E Loans Initiated 61 3.77% I think the ratio has moved a little more towards A loans since I did this work, just based on my view of what I saw, nothing scientific
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