Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Jun 4, 2019 0:30:29 GMT
Jo Swinson is another one against coalition with Labour/Tories, Guardian article here, "Swinson said she was passionate about working with other groups and alliances to stop the UK leaving the EU through a second referendum... However, she said she could not contemplate teaming up with either Corbyn’s Labour or a Brexit-led Tory party in a coalition after an autumn general election" Indeed. Against a coalition in the current circumstances, with the current players. Not against the concept of a coalition. Not that she needs to worry, the Brexit Party would romp to a win Thursday will be the start. Let’s see where the Lib Dem and Greens come.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 4, 2019 7:24:41 GMT
Indeed. Against a coalition in the current circumstances, with the current players. Not against the concept of a coalition. Not that she needs to worry, the Brexit Party would romp to a win Thursday will be the start. Let’s see where the Lib Dem and Greens come. Peterborough? Prime Brexiteer heartland, so anything short of a large Brexit party majority will be a dismal failure for St Nige of the Farridge. It's long been a Tory seat, but they're dead in the water, while Labour are of course going to be punished for Onasanya's dismal failings. So... Yep, it's a bit predictable. 61% Leave in the referendum, but only 38% Brexit party in the EU election last month, though? LD+Green would have been second in the EU election, with 25%+? If there is a surprise, then it won't be Mike Greene winning. Good to see the Brexit party have chosen such a "man of the people" candidate, rather than choosing yet another multi-millionaire on a vanity project. I'm sure he'll be devoting all his time to the actual job of representing the community, rather than continuing to work on projects with people like Greybull Capital...
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Jun 4, 2019 15:10:18 GMT
Change UK Mps following Jeremy Kyle to obscurity. ! Sour faced Soubry now in charge.
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Post by cb25 on Jun 4, 2019 15:16:26 GMT
Change UK Mps following Jeremy Kyle to obscurity. ! Sour faced Soubry now in charge. "Change UK splits as six of 11 MPs become independents" BBC article here
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Post by registerme on Jun 4, 2019 15:21:47 GMT
Gave me a good reason to unsub from their mailing list .
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Post by cb25 on Jun 4, 2019 16:03:28 GMT
I suspect this will be the only change that Change (Nothing) UK manage to make in UK politics.
Edit: Meanwhile, Reuters reports ( here) "Brexit party's Farage arrives at ambassador's residence where Trump staying"
Reporting on the anti-Trump rally, Guardian reports ( here) "Among the speakers was Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, who said: “We are not going to allow you to be the representative of the United States that we believe in" What?
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Post by adrianc on Jun 7, 2019 6:18:42 GMT
Not that she needs to worry, the Brexit Party would romp to a win Thursday will be the start. Let’s see where the Lib Dem and Greens come. Peterborough? Prime Brexiteer heartland, so anything short of a large Brexit party majority will be a dismal failure for St Nige of the Farridge. It's long been a Tory seat, but they're dead in the water, while Labour are of course going to be punished for Onasanya's dismal failings. So... Yep, it's a bit predictable. Well... Nobody was expecting Labour not just to win to increase their majority by 50% (vote share - 1.3% to 2%), were they...? St Nige is busy making excuses on R4 at the mo. (Also: Brexit party only gained just over 2,000 votes compared to UKIP in 2015, while LD increased their votes by 2.6x over 2017)
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Post by IFISAcava on Jun 7, 2019 7:36:27 GMT
Peterborough? Prime Brexiteer heartland, so anything short of a large Brexit party majority will be a dismal failure for St Nige of the Farridge. It's long been a Tory seat, but they're dead in the water, while Labour are of course going to be punished for Onasanya's dismal failings. So... Yep, it's a bit predictable. Well... Nobody was expecting Labour not just to win to increase their majority by 50% (vote share - 1.3% to 2%), were they...? St Nige is busy making excuses on R4 at the mo. (Also: Brexit party only gained just over 2,000 votes compared to UKIP in 2015, while LD increased their votes by 2.6x over 2017) Well, Labour's vote share was DOWN 17% points. For me the lesson is that the electoral system doesn't work with current multi-party system - Labour got less than a third (31%), and Tories/Brexit Party combined over 50%. In an AV scenario second preferences would have likely given the Brexit party or the Tories the seat with over 50% support. I speak as someone against Brexit, but in favour of a more democratic voting system.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jun 7, 2019 7:38:47 GMT
That's better! To recap. The new Tory leader will have no popular mandate. Further, it was obvious that remain parties got far more votes than leave in the EU elections. This matters and ultimately makes it impossible for the new Prime Minister to engineer a no deal Brexit. An essentially unelected leader acting against the will of Parliament and the people? Not going to happen. Yes, there was a referendum. But the government has failed for three years of trying to implement it. The moment is lost. So, based on that, Sterling is seriously underpriced and I'm buying all I can.Big gamble. I don't trust the Tory party membership to elect a leader who will do anything remotely sensible. I'm still holding hard currency (i.e. not Sterling).
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Post by adrianc on Jun 7, 2019 7:48:08 GMT
Well, Labour's vote share was DOWN 17% points. For me the lesson is that the electoral system doesn't work with current multi-party system - Labour got less than a third (31%), and Tories/Brexit Party combined over 50%. While I certainly agree there was no clear winner - especially not St Nige's Apostle of the Greybull - it's an assumption that the rump of Tory voters would have put Brexit as 2nd pref. I'd have thought anybody leaning hard-Brexit would have gone Brexit Party as 1st pref, so non-hard-Brexiteer Tories may have gone LD for 2nd pref. I'm relatively agnostic on how votes are counted to arrive at the winner for any given seat - there's pros and cons in every direction, and at least FPTP is simple - but I really don't want to lose direct constituency representation.
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Post by travolta on Jun 7, 2019 7:58:04 GMT
Labour means labour
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Post by IFISAcava on Jun 7, 2019 8:18:58 GMT
Well, Labour's vote share was DOWN 17% points. For me the lesson is that the electoral system doesn't work with current multi-party system - Labour got less than a third (31%), and Tories/Brexit Party combined over 50%. While I certainly agree there was no clear winner - especially not St Nige's Apostle of the Greybull - it's an assumption that the rump of Tory voters would have put Brexit as 2nd pref. I'd have thought anybody leaning hard-Brexit would have gone Brexit Party as 1st pref, so non-hard-Brexiteer Tories may have gone LD for 2nd pref. I'm relatively agnostic on how votes are counted to arrive at the winner for any given seat - there's pros and cons in every direction, and at least FPTP is simple - but I really don't want to lose direct constituency representation.Exactly - a great feature of the UK system. Which is why the Jenkins commission, set up by Labour in 1997, advised a hybrid system of 500 constituency seats, elected by AV (so every MP has at least 50% of local vote), and 150 top up seats from party lists to make overall HoC proportional to the vote. Labour then ignored it as was benefiting from the disproportionate spoils of FPTP for three elections. (Scottish Parliament system also has top up seats for proportionality, though slightly different as keeps FPTP for the constituencies).
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Post by adrianc on Jun 7, 2019 8:21:13 GMT
I really don't like party lists much - we get enough "central office yes-men" as it is...
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Post by IFISAcava on Jun 7, 2019 8:33:49 GMT
I really don't like party lists much - we get enough "central office yes-men" as it is... have primaries/hustings/caucuses for party lists then?
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 7, 2019 12:16:40 GMT
Boris case thrown out.
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